What do we want? High Elves!

[Guzzle-barthilas]

There’s nothing to suggest that her abilities have changed her biology – and if we’re going to argue that special powers, unique from the rest of your species, justifies someone becoming their own species or race, well, then Anduin and Sylvanas are their own species.

Look I dunno what to tell you, if she and everyone else around her seems to agree that she’s a void elf, I’m inclined to believe them.

[Murgatroyd-lightbringer (Murgatroyd)]

Again, not saying it’s good, but not saying it couldn’t happen either.

If I’m being honest, I’m perfectly fine with the Blood Elves taking absolute control over something that belongs to them by right - but as far as High Elves adjoining themselves to the Void Elves, I remain unconvinced that many HE’s would willingly turn to the Void when less volatile options are available to them?

I agree it’s not an optimal scenario. I’m not sure what other fonts are readily available, perhaps moonwells but I’m not at all convinced we’ve buried the hatchet or that it’s even usable by them. Maybe if they all convert to worshipping Elune?

[Fyorsing-sargeras]

Look I dunno what to tell you, if she and everyone else around her seems to agree that she’s a void elf, I’m inclined to believe them.

I’ve explained the term twice now, if you don’t want to scroll up for 11 seconds and actually read it, nothing I can do about that.

[Fyorsing-sargeras]

I’ll just drop my previous edit here, as a response.

The scenario you laid out could, somewhat ironically, also pave the way for simply implementing playable High Elves that have underwent their own transformation separately from Void Elves – perhaps like Alamara’s “Storm Elves”, Talendrion’s “Low Elves”, or even the “Arcane Elves” you and I discussed a couple months back.

[Guzzle-barthilas]

No, you’ve described your interpretation of it. I’m not saying it’s necessarily wrong, it makes a certain degree of sense. However nowhere in canon is such a divide mentioned. In-game she’s described as a void elf. Full stop.

[Murgatroyd-lightbringer (Murgatroyd)]

Look I dunno what to tell you, if she and everyone else around her seems to agree that she’s a void elf, I’m inclined to believe them.

I’ve explained the term twice now, if you don’t want to scroll up for 11 seconds and actually read it nothing I can do about that.

She’s her own unique thing, in game terms she’s a unicorn. She did not go through the forced near conversion to losing her physical form and becoming an ethereal, she was slowly and carefully guided to where she is now by Locus Walker. She’s not, I agree, a Void Elf - she is their leader but is not one of them.

[Alfgerdhr-moon-guard]

Then Blood Elves are Blood elves.
Full Stop.

[Bourbonboxer-lightbringer (Bourbonboxer)]

You realize that Alleria is a void elf without being the same as Umbric and his lot.

Its like calling the thin and regular Kultirans not Kultiran because they arent the fat ones.

[Guzzle-barthilas]

She did not go through the forced near conversion to losing her physical form, she was slowly and carefully guided to where she is now by Locus Walker.

She was guided slowly and carefully into consuming a dark Naaru at which point she was irrevocably changed. She’s not the same as the other void elves, true, but that’s not to say she’s still truly a high elf either. Until Blizzard says anything else I’m sticking with the what’s been consistently described ever since with her as a void elf.

[Fyorsing-sargeras]

I’ll refer you to the same explanation I referred Guzzle to – and I’ll even provide it this time.

The difference is that the term Naga refers to a biological species, whereas Ren’dorei seems to be interchangeably used to refer to a biological species (i.e. playable Void Elves) or a cultural/political grouping (i.e. Alleria, presumably the BE’s/HE’s in Telogrus).

She clearly considers herself Ren’dorei, culturally and politically, but she hasn’t been subjected to same circumstances that the playable Void Elves have – in an anatomical sense, she isn’t a Void Elf at all.

She identifies with them, culturally and politically, but that doesn’t mean that she shares their biological reality – it’s no different than Sylvanas calling herself Forsaken, despite being of an entirely different breed of creature than all of her compatriots.

[Murgatroyd-lightbringer (Murgatroyd)]

She was guided slowly and carefully into consuming a dark Naaru at which point she was irrevocably changed. She’s not the same as the other void elves, true, but that’s not to say she’s still truly a high elf either.

Agreed, she’s a Void Unicorn.

[Bourbonboxer-lightbringer (Bourbonboxer)]

I’ll refer you to the same explanation I referred Guzzle to – and I’ll even provide it this time.

Then are the thin and regular Kultirans not Kultirans then?

[Fyorsing-sargeras]

Then are the thin and regular Kultirans not Kultirans then?

1. There’s no way you read all of those in 30 seconds.
2. They’re all Kul Tirans, but thin people aren’t simultaneously fat, are they?

[Murgatroyd-lightbringer (Murgatroyd)]

[Alfgerdhr-moon-guard]

ALFGERDR AM I: the VIKING ELF!
First of my name and First of my RACE!
Chugs a begins slamming her axe against her shield!
Render unto me the DANEGELD!
SKÖl!
:* more beer: then begins gnawing a : when she’s finished, throws the rest to her *

((See posts below; Murg gives the greatest response lol)

[Bourbonboxer-lightbringer (Bourbonboxer)]

There’s no way you read all of those in 30 seconds.

I did. Sue me.

They’re all Kul Tirans, but thin people aren’t simultaneously fat, are they?

But thats not the question: the question is if Alleria is a void elf, no? She doesnt follow the Umbric line of transfornation from their inception…yet has signs of some void transformations in her base form:

For example in her 8.2.5 voice line during the invasion, you can hear that same echo-y reverb that is synonymous with Umbric and the other void elves. Take a close listen, you can definately hear the change from how she spoke in Legion and now in BfA.

That being said, I just want a clear notion on what this character is supposed to be: because it seems like every week if shes a void elf or not changes depending on how it fits the argument.

[Murgatroyd-lightbringer (Murgatroyd)]

[Alfgerdhr-moon-guard]

My point, and maybe I should have inserted it in an ‘afterthought’, but, according to the ‘antis’ this is all it takes for a new race to be formed.
Silly I know but hey, gotta respect it!
skäl.

[Felrot-moon-guard]

I always kinda read your name as Alfalfaherder. Like you herding a gaggle of alf alfa sproutlings.

[Guzzle-barthilas]

But thats not the question: the question is if Alleria is a void elf, no?

I’m pretty sure the question was whether she was a high elf.