“will be raised by Bolvar” thats something he does in shadowlands to fight against sylvanas, which means it hasn’t canonically occured IG yet. their existence is a pre-order bonus, but “technically” its a lore-break currently.
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I don’t know where you got this head canon but it couldn’t be more wrong. The beginning of Shadowlands is Sylvanas ripping apart the hat. Right now Bolvar is wearing the hat.
https://i.imgur.com/uYw3ccl.png
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afaik we have not actually had any sort of quest or anything IN GAME showing him doing it, and unless something actually exists in the game or one of the novels, it is word of god at best, which is hardly a solid source for cannon.
now its believed that the new DK starting quest will show him raising the new DK’s, but since that doesn’t exist until shadowlands, from a timeline perspective it hasn’t actually occured yet.
just like, as you pointed out, bolvar still has the helm, which means even though we know that sylvanas “will” destroy it, that hasn’t actually happened yet. so while we know that bolvar “will” be raising new DK’s, it also hasn’t happened yet in game. (even though the pre-order bonus allows them. just like we don’t yet have any IG reason for the eternal traveler or the mount yet.)
Undead anything because you used to be one race and then transformed into another race.
Blood Elf Demon Hunter
I saw a Lightforged Deathknight the other day and I was like wtf Bliz. But I don’t know, that could be a valid lorewise thing so meh.
Other things like Alliance shamans etc don’t make much sense.
We don’t have that for the original DKs either.
But it has because we can make new DKs.
Blizzard rarely gives you any “IG reason” for mounts or transmog sets.
I don’t know what you’re arguing but you make no sense.
I feel like Nightborne Warlocks would be of the type taking relish in enslaving their former oppressors.
For me the ones that don’t really make sense are Vulpera and Mechagnome Death Knights, and even Void Elf Death Knights to some extent. The other races I can get, they’ve been around in the story for some time…but Vulpera shouldn’t be on Bolvar’s radar, Mechagnomes is a matter of mechanics(pun intended), and Void Elves seem like there’d be a conflict in the 2 opposing magical types.
Edit: Also Lightforged DK’s on further thought, similar reason to Void Elves
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I think any race should have access to the “physical skills” classes: warrior, rogue, hunter.
I think that the races of Azeroth have intermingled long enough by now that all the races should have access to the “belief system” classes: priest & paly, shaman, druid, monk.
Next up are magic users - Mages & Warlocks - and I don’t have a very strong opinion about any races that shouldn’t have access to magic. It seems pretty prevalent in Azeroth & mastery of it would almost seem similar to mastering a physical skill in my books thus all races should have access to mage & warlock.
I think that all DK’s were Paladins in a their former lives because of the skills they possess in undeath. That’s just the way it jives for me… therefore any race who cannot be paladin should not have access to DK.
Lastly Demon Hunters… ugh. Whatever type of Elves they are is all they should be & both Horde & Alliance should be allowed to have them the same as Pandarians.
No. That was only true for gen 1 DKs and Arthas.
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“That’s just the way it jives for me.” Not saying that’s right in terms of current game lore, just how I see it.
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Also, to expand on your point and the person you quoted, druid and shaman AREN’T “belief” classes. Their use isn’t predicated on a belief like priests and paladins work with the light.
They’re more akin to “connection” classes, some races are more connected to the elements and the Emerald Dream/Wild Gods than others. Gotta remember that Gods in the WoW universe are somewhat physical beings whose existence isn’t hinged on being believed in.
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A druid believes in their connection to nature. A Shaman believes in their connection to the elements. Without this belief, they wouldn’t be able to harness those powers in those ways I don’t think.
Elementals are all about contracts. Goblins are also all about contracts.
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Honestly to me it makes less sense that all races can’t be shamans.
Why would the elements discriminate? It doesn’t make sense to me.
For me it would be Gnome Warrior.
Gnomes are not physically strong. They don’t have unrealistic strength.
They’re smart.
Why would a gnome be a warrior when they can use their height and wits to be a better survival hunter or rogue.
Also they shouldn’t be able to swing or even carry a 2H weapon.
They’re resized in game, but not in the lore. A gnome could not wield Gorehowl.
No, they aren’t. They’re called to those paths because of an innate connection to them. Malfurion isn’t a druid because he believes he is one. Malfurion is a druid because he was chosen by the wild gods and connected to the Emerald dream to be one. Which is why Illidan ISN’T a druid. He believed in druidism, obviously, but had no connection to the Emerald Dream and was denied the calling from the Wild Gods, which drove him to study Arcane Magics instead.
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Then every player in the game that chooses to roll a druid or shaman has been chosen by nature or the elements to assume that mantle & has the connection. In choosing to fulfill those roles & play those characters they are confirming their beliefs in the connections as the source of their power.
top of my list? Tauren paladins, goblin shaman, mag’har monks, vulpera deathknights, and mechagnome deathknights
I feel the justification for the first 2 is flimsy at best, like seriously, sun warriors and “bribing” the elements . . . ugh
Mag’har have had no contact with anyone who could teach the ways of the monk for atleast a generation cause we all up and left . . . how the funkwaggle can they be monks?
as for the last two . . . they’ve never left their homelands until now, and given their rarity outside of their homelands, where the funkwaggle did Bolvar find their corpses to raise? did the vulpera and mechagnomes GIVE him the corpses of their dead? did they willingly volunteer? The people need to know!
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Something they want? It doesn’t go into detail, but the elements have clearly been shown to want things. They are chaotic naturally, but want a moderator over themselves. Probably mostly to ensure one of the other elements doesnt get too strong.
I can’t find any relation between pollution being a requirement for being in tune with the elements. Pollution is just, at its base, a form of the elements. Fire for example. The elements are naturally at war with themselves.
I mean. In a vague sense. Ok. You are believing in something that actually exists?
Its not a “belief” system like the light, though. Your belief and conviction in the elements or the Emerald Dream does not allow you to be a shaman or a druid (like a priest or paladin). Its an innate attribute that all the “belief” in the world can not conjure up.
Yet goblins practiced a variation of shamanism for what…thousands of years previously?
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Perhaps, and I’d agree with you As many races started with shamanism (humans included) . . . but that’s not the explanation blizzard gave us. They said specifically that the goblins bribed the elements. Don’t misunderstand, I’m not calling for blizzard to remove goblin shamans, it just doesn’t make sense to me.
Also how DOES one bribe the elements? What could the goblin cartels give to elementals to persuade them to work for them? Doubt earth elementals would take to kindly to gold coins.
9000 times this.
You can be in position to make a contract with the elements if you are already in tune with the elements. Goblins were already familiar with them.
And the elements clearly want something. They always have.
They wouldnt necessarily ask for a tangible item. They are chaotic and fight each other. They could merely ask to ensure their rival elements don’t become too strong.