Yes warhsammer is more sci-fi than fantasy throwing in lassers and robots and modern weapons so sorry warhammer means nothing 2 me cuz I hate sci-fi things
I have a feeling you dont actually know what Warhammer is.
I didnât say Warhammer 40k.
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Regardless doesnt matter to me they just dont at all ⌠And I have a hard time taking a orc mage or goblin shamans seriouslyâŚ
Sorry but they will always make no sense 2 me.
Yeah, maybe. But if youâre gonna give KT Druids, you might as well just open up the class to other races at that point.
You harp about goblin shaman lacking in other fantasy. How WoW needs to stay true to its origins.
I show you how one of WoWâs biggest inspirations is another fantasy setting with goblin shamanâŚand suddenly it doesnât matter?
Interesting.
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honestly with druids the only 3 it doesnt make sense on to me are Goblins gnomes and orcs everyone else there is a reason y it makes sense including undead as death is a part if nature plus we got undead animals so âŚ
I agree. Iâd transfer Horde if Blood Elves or even Undead could be Druids tbh.
Dnd being older than warhammer makes that irrelevant
No it doesnât.
Because WoW is not DND.
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D&D and LoTR is irrelevant to WoW.
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Origins matter dnd and LoR being the origins of the entire genre does make it matter lol
No, thats not how reality works.
Just because DnD came first does not mean everything has to copy it, thankfully.
But lets pretend that DND is the final say.
https://www.5esrd.com/gamemastering/monsters-foes/monsters-by-type/humanoids/goblin/goblin-shaman/
OH LOOK. A goblin shaman in DnD.
In 1989, a DnD magazine was published. Link here.
In it, there was an article called âHey, Wanna be kobold?â
It used goblins as a playable character race, with shaman as a class option. Article starts on Page 38.
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D&D and LoTR isnât the origins for WoW.
ROFL 
Origins isnt y on the shaman thing the orc mages yes but shamans make no sense on goblins because they are pollution pricks in this fantasy setting so shouldnât get shaman period
And the reason of that is shamanism in mythology and what the elements are in pagan culture aka the origin of things using it so ya
I am talking about horde orc mages though.
So in DnD we have goblin shaman. In Warhammer we have goblin shaman.
Tell me again why it doesnt make sense and how goblin shaman arenât used in fantasy?
Okay on goblins itâs the ultimate end of what elements are as I said fire earth water and air are the foundations of nature and the world aka pagan culture is what games take from.
On the mages its the dnd origin
For shamans its mythology and ancient culture of what it power draws from is no goblin shamans.
The gods of each element would give nothing 2 polluting prick race
Show me in DnD, LOTR, or Warhammer where that matters.
You are all about how the previous fantasy games should effect WoW. So please show me in those other games, lore, etc.
BY THE WAY.
Goblin Shaman were in LOTR.
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Fair enough I was just saying there were orcs that came through the original portal and they were a part of the Blackrock Clan. Iâm more arguing with the fact orc Mages donât make sense.
Plus, the Forsaken didnât train Magâhar 
p.s. Could someone get Irma a shovel?
Your drawing upon the five elements again⌠of nature your race pollution nature yet gets shaman
Fire earth water and air are foundations of natureâŚ