What content can you give casuals that is not M+, PvP, or Raiding?

Housing. It’s quite simple actually. Housing could be a great system for casual players to display their transmog set, buy furniture, let their favorite pet loose on the house.

This has been done successfully on other games, I don’t know why WoW wouldn’t do it.

You can create a whole economic system with profession providing furniture and other goods for the house, you could buy houses at different locations, etc…

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After WoD attempted player housing and flopped miserably in every conceivable way I don’t think Blizzard will ever really want to revisit the concept.

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Housing is lame.
Yay i get to decorate a house i have no reason to ever go to.
Im a solo player. Am i to show it off to my nonexistant wow friends?

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This is like saying I attempted gardening by throwing seeds at the ground and expected a lush garden to appear.

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Yeh, Garrisons were so far removed from actual player housing that honestly they shouldn’t even be brought up in the same breath. :frowning:

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Ikr? I roll my eyes so hard every time someone tries to dismiss the notion of player housing by bringing it up.

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Lets be honest Garrisons was like throwing half eaten olive cores into pavement and expecting a jungle.

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Im no fan of housing but i agree.

Garrisons had a lot of in game stuff tied to them. For better or for worse, a house isnt that.

A house is to customise as you see fit. Garrisons only let you put certain things in preset plots.
Your choices just were how far you wanted to walk for things.

As i said, i dont want houses, but they are vert different ideas

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The biggest issue of the Garrisons is that they werent housing, they were just a military base.

It wasnt a place to rest or enjoy or decorate, it was just the RTS base with walls.

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And this goes back to the whole “WoD actually had a lot of plans, 80% of the expansion we were supposed to have gotten got scrapped, and 50% of the expansion we actually got was kinda pieced together out of the blue by a completely different development team.”

This community tends to be very much on-board with the whole “if it doesn’t work, scrap it instead of making it work” mindset. Can you really blame Blizzard for not wanting to revisit Garrisons considering they were a big reason why WoD turned out to be the worst expansion ever made from an objective standpoint?

Housing would be a big deal to create, as right now there isn’t any. I’d be extremely happy if they turned casual PvP back into a place where casuals could do PvP, rather than a place where elites farm badly geared casuals to get currency to redeem for free welfare loot.

Anything earned by doing zero work is free welfare loot, and that’s what it is when elites form premades to farm randoms.

Except they didn’t do it RIGHT. Look at ESO for example, did right in every way. Blizzard just didn’t want to spend the extra resources and time into it.

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Obviously it would need to be different. Garrisons aren’t an honest attempt at housing in my view.
Tbh I loved garrisons

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I dont really think thats the issue when Blizz devs are adept at ignoring player feedback when its not workshipping, and even more adept at ignoring said feedback 5 minutes later, or worse, act in spite of it.

A lot of people WANTED Garrisons to work, but for them to work it as housing could have meant logistics that ActiBlizzard cant do without investing in the game in ways they clearly dont want to do. The instancing systems required for housing are simply not viable without putting in the work that the devs simply cant do due to skeleton crews and an already crunched group of teams.

Player housing would be ok with me, however we all need to step back and look at the reality. For current Blizzard to create it they would need as a guesstimate cut 75% if not more of next patches content to do so. That is a huge risk to take considering player housing in WoW has already had poor projections based on WoD test run. I don’t think player housing at this current time is the ideal way to bring back players especially when WoW is on a decline.

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Oofalicious

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That wasn’t housing, not even close. That was a glorified mobile game.

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“What content can you give casuals that is not M+, PvP, or Raiding?”

The same content the game has had for 17 years: questing, exploration, socializing, collecting, fun.

People asking for the game to stop being what it has always been, to become something it has never been? If you want things that badly that have never been part of WoW, I suggest getting your fix for that from other games. I have a strong builder itch, but I scratch it in other games, because WoW is an adventure game, not a builder game.

These housing threads always crack me up. People saying the most important thing to them is player housing, and they’re JUST NOW realizing that the game they’ve been playing all these years doesn’t have it, or something. :laughing:

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My wow friends are my husband and one random person that wanted a carry through a legion dungeon to get void elves in bfa lol