What classes need buffs? (11/08/24)

Of course! You do the same with my criticism of your criticism. :slight_smile:

Since when has swarm intelligence been considered a justified point of view? Since the Mandela Effect at the latest, we should refrain from doing so.

Of course do I understand the criticism and why people think a spec based analysis would be better, but I’ve obviously looked at it in detail whereas most tend to focus on the outcome and therefore fail to see the weaknesses of a spec based view.

See my reply to Nasrajin 2 posts above this!

Maybe, but you could simply play Demo which is doing really good right now, spend a day to learn the differences and have a great & viable spec to play, until they bring changes for Destro.

A Monk or DH on the other hand would need to reroll to another class, level it, gear it and learn it from a beginner level, to have a viable spec. So do you think it would be fair to spend more focus onto Lock (Destro) right now instead of the underperforming classes that have no alternative pick?

Why would I play demo when it shouldn’t be a spec in pvp. You are still yet to tell me how WW is bad, you just say it’s ‘underperforming’ when in reality it could just be because higher skill capped melee compared to ret/war/dk etc so obviously less people would pick it up or reroll.

Also, check EU rankings on check pvp for WW and destro, which is struggling more right now?

When a class has low representation on high rating, despite decent popularity, there must be a reason for it.

Or are you trying to tell me that all WW suddenly have forgotten how to play, while Feral have become super skilled with TWW?

A class must be able to generate either very good burst or good CC chains or unhealable sustained damage (Fury). If it doesn’t have either, it must at least have a great toolkit for the party (see Ret/Aug).

WW has none of that. The burst is like a wet noodle, CC is almost non-existent and it has no group-based peel/support to speak of. Every GCD does damage, but it’s extremely easy to heal and far away from the pressure of a Fury Warrior.

Still not an answer to how WW is bad, what’s bad about it? Damage, defensives, mobility? What’s bad?

Destro instant cast damage is cheeks, but it can’t have everything. Aff gets ran over by arms+fury right now, but it has to have counters. Etc etc.

Look at check pvp bro, look at WW/Destro in 3’s (rankings)

You have a weird definition of high.

Maybe I just play against ww’s with hands?

More realistically is, that you don’t play at high ratings and the few WWs you are playing against on your MMR would usually play higher, when their class wouldn’t perform so poorly.

I dunno. I think im pretty high. (1800 in 3’s) Maybe you just need to get good so you can play against said ww’s with hands.

Maybe smoke less then? :slight_smile:

When out of 7704 Shadows 133 were able to achieve elite in RSS, but out of 7340 WWs only 23, then its a L2P issue, not a general balancing problem?!

Keep trolling somewhere else please!

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Im not trolling at all bro, ww is fine. Why does it need buffs to become oppressive like bm is right now? Not everything needs buffing, sometimes stuff just needs bringing down. Destro is fine, Aff is fine, demo needs removing, etc etc.

WW is fine. Everyone wants to slam their head on the desk against frost mage, everyone loves being able to move their character 10% of its normal speed perma, all game.

From your subjective point of view, that may be the case, but objectively speaking, it’s an outright lie.

WW is barely playable alongside DK and DH the higher up the ladder you look.

And since the data was collected and analyzed absolutely objectively, there is no need for any further discussion. Of course it contradicts your gut feeling and your personal opinion from a warlock’s point of view, but perhaps you should interpret it from a different perspective to realize how biased you are!

Ok so on EU, which you probably didn’t look at.

Blizo is 2541 as WW. There is 17 WW’s higher than the top rated destro lock on EU.

Before buffing WW as it’s doing better than destro at the top of the ladder, we should buff destro because it’s struggling the higher up the ladder you look (which you didn’t.)

Now me as a destro main, sitting there and telling you it doesn’t need buffs because it’ll be horrendous to play against is wild right.

You failed to do what I told you and check the EU 3v3 comparison to destro/ww, ww is doing better, unlucky sir.

Anyone who can read has a clear advantage!

Oh, checked US. WW still higher than destro rn. Buff destro, nerf ww. zzzzzz.

I am very curious, what kind of rating are you at in 3’s?

ww need +50% fists of fury and like 20-30% RSK if not even more to be even comparable to other ms melees / hunters

the funny part is that +50% on fists of fury sounds a lot but you could probably even do +100% and the ticks would go to like 300-400k each from the current 150k. imagine if a destro warlocks chaos bolt hits for 150k or evis from sub does 150k this is exactly whats the problem with ww rn.

also all of ww’s damage is fake useless damage because ww has 0 tools to close out a game

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This is cool but BM is leagues away the strongest spec in the game.

I agree that DK needs buffs

….I guess WW & DH too but I hate when those specs are meta.

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WW is in 3s at 2.07 per 1000 while Destro is at 1.805 per 1000.

That might be a tiny bit ahead, but beside Warlock has two more similar specs, and one of it is just S tier, the result is falsified. And unlike Destro players, WW players can’t just pick another DPS spec and play with it.

Finally, I made it clear that this is a class-based evaluation (look at the title) that shows which classes do not currently have a viable DPS spec

It therefore only shows what classes not have a single good DPS spec for PvP! Which specs of a class may be op or up if there are several similar specs (Lock, Mage, Warrior, …) is not taken into account.

They don’t have to be meta. Just average strong would already be good enough!

Destro doesn’t need buffs though. :)))))

WW doesn’t need buffs, other stuff just needs bringing down, not everything has to become s tier because a few classes are rn.

Again, what rating you at rn?