What classes need buffs? (11/08/24)

I have explained my choice by class filters in great detail :wink:

This claim as such is not true in my opinion, as high rated players usually just play the strongest spec of their class. So it would indicate which spec of a class is currently the strongest, but it could also allow false conclusions that another spec of that class supposedly needs buffs, although it is actually fine.

Nerfing bm would completely change all your data

Specs that perform rn have a fighting chance against bm/hpal. You’re using a popularity contest to measure strength.

What you really need is winrates for each spec into X spec

Oh, and you’re not accounting for the fact that the ladder hasn’t really moved the entire season but +/- 100 rating, so specs that got extremely high due to all the early balancing issues (enhance, phantom pain, fury, preservation, ele) and just sat on rating isn’t reflected at all in what you’ve presented

It’s just bad math with way to many holes.

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My theory is that most DH players are just natural FotM rerollers, and they only cosplayed as Illidan to begin with because it was disgustingly OP for a long time. Right now they’re BM hunters.

The few good ones I’ve fought this patch have done pretty intense consistent damage, so talk of needing huge damage buffs raises my eyebrows.

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Dh is great in 2s, it’s just not free points

Actually need to vengeful retreat cc

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Very few people actually main DH so it only has numbers when it’s broken and FOTM rerollers are on it.

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MM/DR needs not exactly a buff but it was overnerfed I’d just like to see it go back to what it was Pre-Anniversary.

As usual, people do respect their biased stomach feeling more than the objective data …

Representation isn’t and will never be a simple gauge on power level.

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on high ratings compared with the general class popularity.

Simply explained: Out of a 1000 DPS players of a class x reached high rating …

I suppose this means SV hunter is chronically underpowered, when in actuality it’s been verging on OP for multiple entire expansions, just going under the radar because no one plays it.

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They aren’t. You can look at the distribution of their ratings on Drustvar and nothing looks that off. Fairly normal distribution of ratios across the active players who are currently playing each spec.

The one massive outlier right now is BM. There are only 3 specs right now that are peaking at 1800. Demo, Demo, and BM. Of those 3, BM is substantially ahead of the other two. EVERYTHING else peaks at 1600 and has fairly normal ratings distribution, even feral. Feral is still clearly over performing, but oddly enough, it’s not close to BM atm.

Regardless, actual played experience here is what matters. Higher up, BM is busted. Shadow is still over performing. Feral still needs tweaks. Eli still needs tweaks. Sub likely needs a tuning pass. There are a few others, but fixing BM is priority atm.

lol

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Guess you missed the preceding “verging on,” i.e. not quite OP but very strong. Reading comprehension, bro. SV been strong for a long time.

No, it means that SV is actually doing pretty fine, especially in 3s if you could read the tables correctly.

Overall its seems not to be op, neither to be underpowered. Not the greatest spec for shuffle though.

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No, I didn’t miss the verging on part. Look, I know it’s been a rough last few days for you, but try not to take it out on others. SV has been good, but saying verging on OP is legitimately ridiculous.

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I share a lot of thoughts with concerns regarding presenting data in this way, but I understand why you present it in this way, specifically regarding classes that can play the same ROLE with different SPECS.

While I think this misrepresents outliers, I do really appreciate the objective presentation of data.

Thank you for the updated work that you put in, and on a personal note I liked the explanation you added about how impactful the buffs to boomy were!

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You’re certainly entitled to interpret constructive criticism however you want but i think when you’re consistently getting the same feedback there might be some validity to it. Just one man’s opinion…

I didn’t speak specifically to BM but if you don’t view that spec as OP right now then I’d have to question your sense of reality and apparent bias. Again, separation by spec would be a better practice to help eliminate bias. More to that point, why does hunter specifically have survival left out? Outliers like that really throw off the data set and therefore any conclusions that are made are purely anecdotal.

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insane how every week havoc demon hunter is terrible and every week nothing happens to it, but warriors or mages cry for three seconds and 50 books are written for them

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How does WW need a buff? If your on about WW, assuming you are.

High ST damage, Insane mobility, good defensively. Am I missing something because it’s a higher skill capped melee, or?

Thank you for your kind words.

I can understand that people see it that way, but you wouldn’t believe how much the data is consumed as a result. Yes, it would more clearly expose BM as a spec that is too strong, but not even as extreme as most here would believe.

Because not only would Feral still be 11% stronger than BM, while Ele would be barely noticeably worse than that spec. But Outlaw Rogue would be more than 4 times as strong as BM Hunter.

The reason for this is simply that Outlaw is a barely played spec. Certainly strong in the right hands, but 4 times as broken as BM?! I doubt that!!

Or what about Fire Mage. There isn’t a single one over 2400 in 3s, but there are also only 243 in total in the 3s ladder. If there was only one, the spec based on this analyzing would already be at the level of an Affliction Warlock. Does that sound correct to you?

A spec-based evaluation would therefore cause completely different problems! Not to mention that especially the top players, i.e. those who are used for the consideration of 2400+ rating, often simply play the strongest spec of their class, which makes some specs appear too strong or others too weak!

Hello friend.

Simply because it is one of the worst performing DPS classes on top ratings right now, based on the ladder. As a lock, you might think that Monk and Warrior are broken, but maybe try to play Frost Mage and see it from another perspective.

That way you might learn the difference between subjective point of view and objective usage of ladder data. :slight_smile:

My main spec is destro, that’s lacking right now. Do I think you need to pump % buffs into it anymore because other stuff is better? Nah. Just bring other stuff down.

Like what’s bad about WW? It has good damage, it has good defensives and it has good mobility, just because it struggles into frost mage it’s bad, or?