YouTube search “vanilla Paladin tanking video - invisusira (WoW)”
That’s the vid I was thinking of. He actually shows footage of himself from vanilla doing it. I’d post a link, but I’m not always a good girl and don’t have that ability. 
Have you been in Classic lately?
Perhaps the higher levels have people in them, but there aren’t many in the lower zones.
Classic is a niche for nostaglia for players that loved the game. It won’t last.
I’ve played it and it has reminded me of all the improvements that have been made to get to retail, and failures. I think they are taking note of the changes that made retail unappealing. Problem is, MMO’s don’t have the draw that they once did and there are other online entertainment that has replaced them.
Basically, do not compare Classic to retail because it is apples to oranges.
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Umm Darling, My classic server is packed even during low peak time. I don’t think its nastaglia drawing people to it either…lots of new players who never played vanilla are running around.
For me retail is no longer enjoyable and hasn’t been for years. Its interesting for a bit and then I unsub until something new.
So, you think that this is going to last!
Within two weeks, the starter zones went from packed to nearly empty. Now they are almost vacant, at least Darkshore is for me.
Is there any wonder they killed Darnassus in Retail, no one ever goes there.
Classic is a niche for certain type of people who want that experience. Comparing it to Retail doesn’t make sense other then to see what once was. I can tell you what once was that is completely oblivious to Blizzard…
Players were apart of a greater story, not the central focus. We were not responsible for the fate of the universe.
Players experienced a difficult and long road to its conclusion, not 5-10 levels.
The world was epic adventure, not a grandiose god world saving inter-dimensional space continuum of biblical portions to top the prior expansion.
It was new, and while there had been other MMO’s prior to Warcraft, it was polished.
Faction competition existed, not distain because of allegiances and loyalties of game politicking.
Players helped one another, because the players were nicer. Why? Because retail has harbored elitists and malcontents whereas Vanilla people needed each other regardless.
Oh sure, people are trying it and bring their nastiness to Classic. The majority of Vanilla players have grown up, only those that want the nostalgia returned or the people that want to experience it for the first time.
It is dated and it a reference for dev’s to make a comparison, but even they won’t get it. It’s hard to see the forest through the trees when you are in the middle of the jungle.
It is, however it’s effect is short lived. After a point of time the user goes “ why am I doing this to myself” and snaps out of it. (Leaves)
This point in time varies from user to user.
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Umm Darling, maybe you are just playing on a very low pop server but the starter zones are fine on my server. A great community forming and its fun.
THe niche maybe retail and not classic dear. to me its a very boring game these days. Champion of everything but have no say in anything. No threat in the world heck I can solo world bosses and playing with people who might as well be NPCS(sips a little wine) poorly scripted NPCS at that.
Go play on a higher pop classic server and experience the fun. Or stay in retail if that floats your boat.
Played Vanilla, several toons, once you cap its done. Game over.
Saying retail is a niche is ridiculous.
It’s time for a new game, a new company. It’s all old and tired content. Or maybe MMO’s are just dead altogether and they’re rehashing old stuff.
So sad.
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At this point, I think all you care about is typing what you think are scathing insults to the guy.
You come across as an angry couch surfing fry guy. Did I do that right?
Somehow dear, I don’t believe you played vanilla. Your writing style seems to young for it. Doubt you AQ gate opening or grind nature resist or AD rep for Nax or even did you .5 tier set. In pvp I doubt you put the time to get a high rank.
See there are tons of things to do but you have to put time in to earn
A niche game like retail might be a better where you can play just a few hours and get things so fast that blizzard had to add time gates cuz it’s EZ mode.
Yes I know retail is built on the bones of vanilla but blizzard killed the magic of wow.
Have you seen the disaster of wpvp on classic server?
You are quite presumptuous aren’t you.
I started in BC and leveled through those all those zones, horde and alliance 12 times on 3 servers not including toons that I have deleted.
The ‘magic’ of warcraft died when the majority of customers became adults with jobs and families. It was at the right moment at the right time, that time is over.
Blizzard has done a horrible job at maintaining its legacy. That is something we can both agree with, but if they can actually see their mistakes maybe they will fix apart of what has been destroyed.
I do not hope for it, and think it will have to be something entirely new from a different company that becomes the next big online phenomena. The wow killer came from inside…
This. They keep making new “systems” and simplicity was the best iteration that have had to date. I would rather have an old, proven system, then being a tester for their new systems when they decide to experiment. These new systems make the game unplayable at times. Keep it simple!
What bothers me the most about classic is the way it murders time.
Everything is a crawl. Dungeons are big and take a long time to complete. Groups take a long time to form and can fall apart. The guild you are in for six months can fall apart right when you think you are all going to start raiding. Travel is slow and tedious.
Worst of all if you are not in one of the 40 man guilds you are a 4th class citizen. When the 40 man guilds are getting 1.0, 2.0. 2.5 gear a person not in a guild like that can get .5 gear at best.
Even though you are still a 3rd class citizen in retail if you don’t raid or do m+, vanilla and classic take “raid or quit” to the max. I’ll take retail over that anytime.
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Who is Ian?
We’ll play holy then. Anyone saying that prot pally, ret, enh shaman are raid viable are laughable. You join a group as one of those and get carried hard
Yeah it has gotten ugly for sure, mostly because the guy doesn’t understand basic concepts. He, and classic fanboys like him, are blindly taking the “record sub increase” language as “classic has more subs than retail and retail is dead!” Without knowing what numbers are being used for comparison.
Ironically, as I have said from the start, is that Classic is great because it caters to the RP nostalgia crew that has a ton of time on their hands and felt left behind by retail’s higher skill cap and confusing amount of new content. By adding another game for people like that to play, even if it is a dead-end mini game with unskilled, mindless, extremely easy content at endgame, it helps funnel people back to retail long term.
Both games are different and cater to different audiences, but they are good for the overall health of WoW, which is what the earnings call was about. He just doesn’t get it.
And you may or may not either, but at least here you have a summary of the original point I made which he has such a hard time understanding because he so badly wants to believe that his time spent grinding away at a 15 year old game is well spent instead of lamenting his joblessness lol.
Remember when they said Blizzard would never make classic?
Remember when they said classic would be dead in a month?
And the funniest of all: Remember when they said more people are playing BFA than Classic? HAHAHA
Hell of an assumption there, dude. The reason I quit retail wasn’t it’s difficulty - it’s because it bored me, and because I didn’t enjoy how playing a toon was engineered.
don’t get me wrong - I know retail raids are more complicated than Classic. Here’s the thing - raids bore me. Simple or complex, they bore me to tears. I don’t waste time raiding in Classic, although I raided until Cata, and a little LFR in Panda. For me - BG’s trump instances.
Outside of raids - it’s not really that complicated. Everything is streamlined for fast leveling and gold generation. Your toon doesn’t progress so much as your gear does - and that playstyle does nothing for me. There’s nothing confusing I’ve seen when I’ve peeked at retail, just a lot of tediousness. Complexity or number crunching isn’t an issue - I played SFB for years, and I’ve got design credits on a dozen games and supplements, and illustration credits on a bunch more. (And, it looks like I’m working on a re-release of a product).
I didn’t drop retail for classic - I dropped Blizz entirely for playing WoT and WoWS.
So far as the nubers go - yeah, I get it. The issue is people, most people, these days, don’t grasp how they are seeing consequences from months or years ago. They think things happen when they notice them, ie, they don’t grasp it just took them time to realize something had occurred. And, of course, people like to claim anything is proof of their stance.
Blizz already knew they had to switch up the next expac, or keep losing players, so Nightlands is supposedly going to have a bit of retro feel in a few aspects. Mostly, it’s going to be timegated grinding for rep and gearing.
tl;dr - People play stuff until it stops being fun, if they are smart. People claiming classic appeals because retail is too difficult, tho, are simply trying to boost their own ego’s for being able to memorize a pattern.
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Preach
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Timewalking dungeons have been a non stop queue all week, a bit intellectually dishonest from your end brah
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