What bothers me the most about classic

Technically he’s not just talking about classic.

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Again, you need a good long read on dictionary dot com.

Fact: there were no numbers provided

Fact: earnings calls give numbers when they have numbers to prove things, but they say things like “set records!” without providing numbers as a PR move to boost shareholder value for the dummies (sound familiar?) that accept declarations without numbers as facts

Fact: at this pint nobody expects you to understand anything about business because you’ve made it crystal clear you don’t have a job or any understanding of business culture.

Do try and keep up: you’re more than just an embarrassment to your parents at this point, it’s to yourself now as well.

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Ok, I see. So yes, the original point still stands. It says here:

World of Warcraft® Classic drove the biggest quarterly increase to subscription plans2 in franchise history, in both the West and East.

It’s still not telling us what context this is in. What is the increase by? If it’s in percentages, that doesn’t mean much if the number it’s increasing by was low to begin with. Again, Blizzard are masters at PR spin.

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Im confused what youre trying to say. Are you saying classic isnt a success? That the growth doesnt actually mean anything?

Irrelevant

This is a beyond stupid statement.

Irrelevant. Also you haven’t shown any credentials that you have a job in business so taking anything you have to say in the department with any level of seriousness isn’t going to happen. Again, you’re a nobody rando demon hunter with an emo name strutting around making a fool of yourself. This high school level of trolling is what you resort to since you don’t have a point in any of this other than being obtuse for the sake of being obtuse.

No, not at all. It’s a definite success and went above BFA as it is in its current state. I’m just putting it in perspective. I have nothing against Classic or BFA.

Pretty sure if they make claims without proper representation this would count as misleading the share holders.

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Did this just really happen?

Let’s break it down again for you in bite size pieces like your mommy does:

Me: what were the numbers though?
You: NUMBERS ARE IRRELEVANT JUST TAKE MY WORD FOR IT!

This explains why you’re jobless: numbers make you mad. Shows us on the doll where the numbers touched you?

Ok, your unemployment is showing. I’ve been trying to educate you on how public companies operate but you’re too far gone. It’s sad to see how mad basic business concepts make you, but it probably ties back to some negative experience you have had in the past with work/a job. It’s nice that your mommy lets you live in her basement and play classic all day but it’s not a great look to do it at age 34 like you are…

Oh so I’m an nobody? In a game? Lol, how sad is your life that this is your best insult? I’ve done harder content in this expac alone than you’ve done in the history of the game while having an actual job but hey keep thinking you’re a “somebody” in WoW. I can’t stop laughing at how much value you place in this game, but I guess it makes sense since you don’t have a job, any friends (real ones, not on WoW), let alone a relationship, a house (your mom’s doesn’t count), etc.

You might be able to market your King of the Basement Dwelling Neckbeards outside of the game if you try hard enough. Maybe you can get a job spinning a sign in your hands outside of a furniture store wearing your fedora?

When a Blizzard employee states that the launch set record numbers in growth the numbers they provide would only be icing on the cake.

*sad

Also, would love to hear about these accomplishments that you’ve done. Because you’re trying to make this claim while hiding behind an alt while also attempting to hide your profile. Even though I can look past that and see your achievements.

Also, in the context of the conversation you are a nobody unless you actually work for Blizzard and can provide information contradicting what was stated in the earnings call.

Funny that you said this after going off about the “harder content” that you’ve done in the game. Wipe that foam from your mouth. Your inner CoD kid is showing.

This is where your illiteracy becomes problematic: saying they are record growth numbers without providing the numbers means only one thing: growth occurred, but not how much, or in comparison to what.

Here, let’s try an example for you:

Jalen is 300 lbs living in his mom’s basement, and goes to weigh himself. The scale shows 301. Jalen gets excited and yells upstairs “MOM, I SET A NEW RECORD!”

Your weight went up 1 lb (.3% if you can follow the math). But it SOUNDED much better when it was just “SET A RECORD!” without providing the numbers or context. This is what happened on the earnings call. Your welcome.

Next:

You: I’m super accomplished in this game
Me: what have you done?
You: I’m GM of a classic guild and we killed Ragnaros this week!
Me: didn’t Rag get killed the same week as launch by people under the level cap and in greens?
You: IRRELEVANT!

I’m not hiding behind an alt, feel free to armory me. All I do is PvP when I have time to play, which hasn’t been for months now. But go ahead and think that inviting 40 mouth breathers to molten core and struggling for months to down 15 year old content with the advantage of the 1.12 patch is some kind of accomplishment. Man, you’re an even worse player than debater.

If you want numbers go through their books. You can figure it out. While youre in there will you let me know what the liquidity ratio is? Ill need it since youre pretty much saying theyre committing fraud.

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^ Statement still stands. Balls in your court to show proof that contradicts what was stated in the earnings call.

Yeah I can tell :joy:

Not really impressed by what I saw in your achievements. Sincerely hope that the achievements aren’t correct and you can provide a toon that actually has something noteworthy in that department.

No, just like it always has been, the ball is in your court to show the numbers. And you can’t, since THEY can’t. But we have established you are allergic to numbers and don’t understand earnings call etiquette already (let alone what having a job must be like).

I took a look and saw that you’ve never done anything of note in either PvE or PvP. And yet you’re pretending you’re some kind of all star? This is rich lol. Here we go, another recap:

You: you don’t have any achievements that would indicate you are skilled at the game!
Me: has significantly more exp/achievemnts in PvP, which is the only thing I do when I play
You: I leveled to 60 in Classic, this is my greatest achievement of all time. Yes I know I’m terrible, but my mom tells me I’m special and that you’re mean!

It makes sense now that you struggle so much with numbers because you can’t even tell the difference between your unimpressive WoW “career” and a casual player like me who in significantly less time has actually achieved things of note in comparison.

I’m not even that great, but you sir are the definition of mediocre. But hey, at least your opinion of your e-self is great? We all know that your life outside of the game wouldn’t even reach mediocrity that this point, sadly.

The main reasons classic was a draw:

  • people who didn’t play vanilla curious about what it was like
  • people who played vanilla nostalgic about what it was like
  • people wanting to play on the same servers as streamers
  • people wanting to gank / twink / “stomp noobs”

Nor can you. So the only thing to go off of is their statement. Which again you refute to be factual and provide no information to show otherwise.

Point out where I stated to be an all star top tier player.

*Achievements

Also in terms of percentage, you only have +2% than I do. Should probably know what significantly more means before using it in a sentence.

So close but yet so far: if the only thing we have to go off of is their statement then we have absolutely nothing. A statement without supporting evidence is called an opinion. Look it up. That’s the way it works.

Here’s an example, since you seem to need ideas explained more than most:

Jalen: I’m not fat, I’m pleasantly plump!
Your doctor: no, Jalen you are morbidly obese with 56% body fat.

See, the doctor provided the numbers that give context to his statement of “you are morbidly obese.”

If he had just called you fat, he might be right or he might be wrong, it would depend on the numbers. If no numbers are available, then no logical conclusion can be reached without supporting evidence (aka numbers).

You implied that nothing I have done from an achievement perspective was noteworthy, which would mean that my accomplishments in game were lesser than yours. And having looked at yours and found that you’ve done nothing of note at all in any category, let alone PvP, it just shows that you’re bad at the game and were trying to dodge the deep dive validation of that.

You actually count achieving %s? How dumb are you? Having tons of garbage achievements is common, there are only a few achievements that indicate skill/mastery of the game. In dragon slaying I would guess that’s server first mythic raid full completion or something (not my cup of tea) and in PvP it would be 2400+ in 3s and Gladiator or Hero of the Horde/Alliance. You’re little bg achievements and % points don’t mean as much as you think they do, silly.

Correct, which is what they have done. Companies do this all the time. Until we now what the numbers are that are used to backup the “record growth” comment, it could be any number of things, as Skyhorn has so eloquently described in his posts above.

Oh my! Are you talking to yourself? Since you posted so quickly after the low level rogue posted. With hidden profiles and all.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t invisusira main tank in the early days on a pally?

I remember seeing vids and such, the old site is no longer around but I’m sure he had a section on there where he talked about how it was looked down on, but he proved people wrong by tanking on one.

He also done some trippy vids, a bit odd really. And used a custom ingame skin.

Oh my!! Yes some looked down on any tank other than a warrior but that doesn’t mean they were not viable in the right hands. Plus pally tanks were pretty good early in vanilla when they had seal of fury…however that was replaced later with righteous fury which only increase holy damage threat.

As a paladin you got a lot of hate from sub par warriors who spec protection but didn’t understand how to gear…not hit capped, still getting crushing blows, don’t know how to use a shield, had mobs facing party and getting dps cleaved.

They would get upset that a pally tank was picked over them or a bear tank who knew how to tank. Its been 15 years and still some whine about it.