im just saying not to talk about things you have no knowledge of, twist it against me however you want, youre the one at fault here
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To dismiss these people as coming back to play classic for the other bits despite not liking the Leveling after identifying Leveling as a major part of the game is to ignore common sense.
Eh, disagree. I didn’t really play that much of classic or TBC when it was fresh. I mostly just went to a friends house and watched him play it. Looked kinda boring tbh.
I tried it recently, and there’s heaps I love about it. Lots I’d love to carry back into retail. It’s not 100% nostalgia, it’s that it’s actually an RPG.
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It’s definitely a slap in the face.
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I agree with your assessment of the current devs,
Nostalgia is a powerful drug.
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When classic first came out, it broke streaming records on twitch. A sudden massive uptick in subscribers. Unprecedented in the game’s history.
That’s because of built-in interest. The game was basically unplayable for part of that time.
That isn’t to say that there isn’t an audience for the long-term, or that there aren’t reasons to prefer classic over retail. But the initial surge is because of what vanilla meant to people and to gaming in general.
Nostalgia doesn’t necessarily mean “blinded by nostalgia,” or a similar idea. It can mean that, but it can also mean that a particular thing made a big impact at some point in the past.
Take the original Star Wars trilogy. Of course those movies have their merits as movies. They are very good movies if you are just watching them now. But there is also the additional factor of so much fandom having been built-up around them over the years.
Original WoW made a big impact because it absolutely was a great game, but its record-breaking release isn’t necessarily a scathing condemnation of everything else.
It would be very difficult/impossible for a newer game to create that type of immediate response, simply because people don’t know about it yet. Even something like Fortnite became a phenomenon gradually over time. So did WoW.
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Thats what PTR feedback is for. 
And there is tons of that.
- T
What makes this statement sting even more is that over the past 15 years WoW has grossed over $8.5 billion dollars. $8.5 billion… and BFA is what they have to show for it…
And I’m not even bagging on BFA. I don’t think it’s as bad as many people like to act.
I’m just pointing out the fact that after grossing $8.5 billion dollars you think they would have something better to show for 15 years of development.
/boggles.
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Tbf, it’s definitely more than that. Personally, I prefer retail, but to pretend the only reason people like Classic is due to nostalgia is as accurate as saying Retail is in a great spot currently
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I have to disagree with you if what you’re trying to say that the majority of players would find the least fun features in classic to be a desired “improvement” in BfA.
Classic is full of things that seemed like a good idea at the time but probably would have been changed while vanilla was current if the devs had different priorities, ie, if they’d known the game was still going to be in demand 15 years later.
The devs know what people want. It doesn’t suit their narrative to give people fun. I see no sign that they feel they have any design issues in BfA. It seems more like they are still convinced that he only problem is spoiled players with unreasonable expectations.
I fully expect that come Shadowlands I wil no longer be able to use my sub- max characters to farm old content. They are trying to eliminate this practice by making it impossible to play anything but leveling content at any level but max. A lot of people won’t be happy with being forced to level up all their alts to max and gear them in order to do 10 year old raids for rare drops. I fully expect this will put the game into a death spiral.
But hey. You do you.
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you must be a “millenial” gamer 
Does Classic still have the new car smell? I doubt the same number of people are playing the game as of a few months ago.
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Fur the horde! Hahaha. This wins the internet for today for me. First time I’ve seen it. I really hope this becomes a big thing. Brilliant. I doff my hat.
I play alliance, have always played alliance, and yet I’ll be yelling “Fur the horde 
” and giggling for weeks to come.
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Let me get this straight for a moment. What bothers you the most about classic is how successful it is? 
Plenty of people are having fun in BfA. I’m personally enjoying both classic and retail. They are different games at this point. I like them for different reasons. Just because one that launched recently is successful (and to an audience that has been eagerly awaiting this for years, I might add) doesn’t mean the other isn’t fun any more. I certainly played a lot less retail the month classic released. Then the Shadowlands announcement approached and suddenly I was all hype about BfA again.
If the retail version of the game isn’t fun any more then it might be time for a break. Stepping away from the game can help a lot with recapturing the novelty and appeal. That’s honestly part of why the classic launch was so successful. People had been waiting a long time for it. I remember how much “there is nothing left to do” chat there was before BC hit. It’s just been long enough that a lot of it is fresh again.
If only Classic WoW wasn’t so daggone boring, I’d be enjoying it as well. I hate the pacing of the levels, the quests are scattered all about with no sense of organization whatsoever. I hate spending hours trying to form a leveling dungeon group, hated it 14 years ago, I hate it today.
Just yuck, I hate the entire experience. To each their own, but it’s not for me.
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Pretty simple minded people would even say that. If nostalgia is the only thing keeping people in classic, what chemical/drug/dysfunction keeps people playing the expansion thats arguably only topped by WoD for being such a massive failure?
Oh darling 15 years and seem to still be one of those bitter players who couldn’t handle playing the game. Sad really
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The two hour que on my server says other wise. Oh and the smell isn’t new car. It’s a long lost friend coming to catch up.
Tbh, while i’m somewhat surprised and glad to see a 15 year old game out do the current iteration… isn’t that the entirety of the video game industry these days?
I mean companies making games all if not, most the time that doesn’t live their 5 or 10+ year old predecessor.