Also, the OP specifically stated enhance vs ret pve.
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Homie, ele is going to one shot everything already. If they get zero the remainder of the game, they will be doing this.
The greatest predictor of a one sided bg at cap in Era is the amount of ele shamans. They dominate group pvp
They are complaining about level 25.
Who cares about this idea? If you’re hyper focused on 25 parses, you’re the problem
The classes need to be equal, their literally the difference between horde and alliance. Denying that enhance currently blows compared to a pali is the problem.
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I mean when the game is currently level 25 and that is the content the OP is playing for months. Then I don’t think it is unreasonable to say “hey my class is really weak”.
Playing as horde, I have had people say they won’t take my friend because he is enhance. Not saying it is right or wrong but that is just how it is.
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No one cares about 25.
If you do, you’re playing the wrong game.
Having said that, Paladin is set to be god tier in SoD. No doubt.
But ele already was
Make your own group. I have every reset.
Only in pvp once every 3 minutes.
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Unlike era lava burst isnt insa cast, nor does it reset on flameshock tick, nor is flame shock 30 yards. It’s obvious you’ve never played elemental.
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Outside of these CDs, they are still immensely powerful.
Again, ele shamans are the greatest predictor of a one sided bg in era. Nothing is as powerful
I’ve played ele to gladiator in several expansions.
You sure are uniformed about elemental for all your experience.
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They definitely are not immensely powerful outside of CD’s. At least in classic era. As for PVE, they are really bad.
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Anyway back to topic. What is blizzard going to do about the deparity between ret and enhance?
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nothing this phase. Maybe next phase they hope that stormstrike/windfury plus whatever runes they have planned will balance it.
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Trying to define a class by one cast every 3 mins is, again, silly. How does this help in raids or any pvp that is not 1v1 every 3 mins lol.
This objectively false. If no one cared why were there hundreds of threads complaining about hunters?
Or you’re playing a class/spec that doesn’t get invited to raids. Ele shaman don’t get invited, enhance very rarely due to being forced to use rb.
Hmm it appears the numbers simply do not back you up. Element shaman represented less than 1% of raiders in Classic relaunch. If you are trying to say a spec should be happy because they are good for one cast every 3 minutes it will be difficult to take you seriously.
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Nobody is denying that Enhance is currently behind where it needs to be, stopping Phase 1 at level 25 is a bit part of the problem though, and Enhance will hopefully be made viable in P2 where it gets some of its key skills, and where it will hopefully get some runes that boost those skills bringing the spec inline or above where ret is. Hopefully it will also get access to decent weapons which it really doesn’t get access to in P1 which is also a big part of its problem, and there needs to be more hammer/axe drops.
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This is actually a big part, using only callous axe is pretty awful. It also is a reason horde struggle more at end game (other than the obvious point of Salvation). Swords are typically optimally designed and axes are usually just meh throw away weapons in classic.
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No, I just know how strong shaman is and dont care for people complaining about lvl 25 parses. It is a joke
This is probably the thing to irks me about this conversation. Ret paladins would be right about equal to enhance shaman if the devs didn’t give them the runes. The reason people are concerned about P2 is that Blizz seems to be content with paladins being so far ahead of shaman. This approach has lead to a massive imbalance in faction populations. Not sure how many people will reroll now but as we move forward the chances of balancing populations gets less likely with each phase.
I’m curious where this is coming from. From all available data we have from the 2019 relaunch paladins are objectively better at everything, including pvp. You seem to be hanging your hat on the fact that ele’s can delete people once every 3 mins. Are you saying that ability is better than being an equal healer, better dps, better buffs and better survivability? I looked through each tier and ele was never highly represented nor did they perform well.
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