You shouldn’t even concede this point. Just looking at logs there are dps warriors in the top 100 warrior logs using a deep wounds build, dual wielding with a fast weapon to stack deep wounds. If you don’t have the epic sword dual wielding is just as effective as using the blue two handers.
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Thread isn’t about warriors. It about enhance vs ret.
You know, on the plus side, as least Enhance is seen as a good tanking spec. Threat output and survivability are fantastic.
They just need a way to transition that into being better at damage.
So paladins are not leading shaman in all areas, both have solid tanks and while both are capable healers, neither are great in P1, with paladins probably brining up the rear just due to having no good runes and dealing with poor spell ranking at 25. Going into P2, ignoring new runes, tanking will probably stay similar, while shaman should see a boost in their healing prowress due to chain heal, where paladins will likely remain mediocre simply due to lack of crit on gear.
Really the only area paladins are superior in P1 is DPS, and a lot of this is more rune based as Ret was easily the most broken DPS spec in Era so it got a couple of runes which really helped even though neither are that crazy of abilities. Both Enh/Ele should make up a some of this ground as they level to 40, where they get better talents then ret which has relatively weak talents DPS wise. However all 3 specs are near the bottom of the DPS lists, where the only other class joining them is balance druids at the bottom.
Really seems a bit silly to complain about Ret, when all three specs (Ret/Ele/Enh) will need a lot of help in P2 to even keep them within 20% of the top DPS. Yes Ele/Enh need a lot to get them up to where they need to be as they weren’t even within 20% in P1, but why compare them to Ret when it’s just barely viable currently compared to warriors and rogues which make up the leaderboards. Or will you be happy with Ele/Enh being a meme spec and doing horrible as long as you can drag ret down to be just as bad?
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Shaman starts one shotting in pvp in P2.
On my server, best pali boss fights log 135 dps. Best enhance shaman boss fights dps 96. That’s 50% better. Yes tanking for both is fine, yes healing for both is fine. But in pvp nobody tanks and neither heal due to priests being so over the top. So enhance has 2/3 the damage output of a pali, and no survivability.
Bro, overload is OP and your not screwed because a feral druid can now use WF, you will still get invited and you will still be wanted, Resto shaman will become god healers, ele shaman will pump crazy and even enh shamy will do just fine with the runes, HELL you even have the best tank spec in game right now ? whatesle you want ?
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P2 geared level 40 health will be 3000-4k. Elemental rotation will do 1200-1500 if everything crits in 4.5 seconds. Won’t be near a one shot.
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The point of discussion is how far they are below other specs. It’s one thing for them to be 10% worse than the top spec. Thing is, if a Warrior/Rogue does 150 DPS, a Shaman is expected to do 100 DPS.
That’s 30% less damage. You could buff Lava Lash and Lava Burst damage to be double their current output, and it wouldn’t close that gap.
Ret dps was always ahead of enhancement in Classic. This is easily verified.
Also you have not taken the buffs each class offers or the overwhelming disparity in the populations of each class. Paladins being superior to shaman is the sole reason the alliance outnumber the horde by a long shot.
Ret paladins are only behind hunters, rogues and warriors. I would hardly call that “barely viable”
Resto is 7% of healers, enhance is 4.9% of dps, elemental is 0% of dps. Won’t be any shaman to play in your imaginary world about how shaman are the best.
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You don’t know what lava burst + overload will be critting for with spell power at the new 40.
You can bet on it being immense.
Shaman can already, before SoD, do 5k+ damage at cap.
Shaman are S tier raid healers and S tier in PvP at baseline in Era. Shamans have nothing to be complaining about
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LOL! Says the paladin.
Nah dude, my guild have plenty of shaman and I even have one in alt I run the raid on cd so, I could care less about your imaginary data
Right now wotlk patchwork. Enhance top dps 861. Elemental 665. Not sure what fantasy world you’re imagination is creating but nobody at 60 will be doing 5k.
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Paladin are the clear winners of P1.
Shaman had an awesome P1, though. They are the best tanks and received great runes that will scale insanely well moving forward
Eles routinely clear 5k DMG at 60 in pvp burst windows.
Everyone that has ever played era knows this.
just to be clear, they do but only once every 3 minutes.
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So they is a one shot on potentially two characters in every wpvp engagement you’ll have.
Ele shaman burst is unmatched in era and you now have overload.
It is going to be insanity.
If you’re complaining as a shaman, you either are bored and trolling or you haven’t played era.
Agreed. My only issue is with paladins being so OP in phase 1 is the population disparity. This thread is about how to ensure the glaring imbalance does not continue into future phases. To do this, Blizz has to make shamans better.
Have you seen the class representations? Shaman are good tanks in some situations, but that’s it. There dps is bottom tier, literally both specs.
Maybe we have no idea. We do know if p1 is the trend paladins will be leaps and bounds ahead regardless of what shaman receive or how they scale.
This. Using a small window usable every 3 minutes is kind of silly. Again one must only look to how ele shaman performed overall in classic to know the folly of this argument.
Or comparing them to their counter part, paladin. Your bias is showing.
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