What are 'High Elves': An Education Thread

[Dayshanel-moon-guard (Dayshanel)]

I would strongly suggest the OP go read his lore a bit better. This is written worse than that one High Elf website, and that thing was more head cannoned than any other pro Helfer stuff I’ve read. But this almost gave it a run for its money.

[Syegfryed-tol-barad (Syegfryed)]

No, I respect that we don’t speak the same native tongue. I’m just saying that is’ actually fairly difficult to be sure I’m reading it correctly.

This is not your fault. It’s just a fact of the engagement, and it’s not the easiest thing.

don’t try to play the Mr.Nice guy, when people have difficulty to understand each other in a civil conversation, they ask to make it more clear or to be worded better, i know because i discuss with people in 4 different languages, they don’t simple point out “ha ha you suck in said language”

I provided relevant quotes. If you didn’t read them that’s not on me.

this is the quote:

“Since the Sunfury have returned to us,” Lor’themar began, “and our position in the
Ghostlands is more… secure… the Farstriders are finding themselves stretched a bit less. They—
I—would send you regular supplies.”

when they could, they start sending supplies, thats the truth.

But, why are you focusing in just this? why are you not proving source for the other statements? where is the quote about the “cycle” that you made up? where is the quote saying elves respect that said cycle?

where is the quote saying blood elves “fell on demonic” energies?

Where is the quote saying mana wyrms are elemental and sacred?

Exactly my point. You can’t conceive of anything but abandonment.

but its exactly what happened!!!

your “alternative view” is a tentative to validade and romantize the situation

Conveniently I actually provided counter arguments to every argument

nope you didn’t, lets go back

Blood Elves not being the right High Elves

thats false the blood elves are the right high elves.

It’s also relevant to note that whenever we see the Alliance doing big magic the High Elves come out to do a lot of it.

Another false statement with no source

the literally 3 times the high elves appear is as sideckick of other bigger forces.

The High Elves who stayed loyal? They didn’t just stay loyal to the Alliance. They stayed loyal to who they once were

another false statement about "being loyal to who they once were, implying the blood elves betray this are not themselves anymore.

A proud people who wouldn’t stoop to joining the Horde. A people who wouldn’t steal the magic just to sate their addiction. A people who sought to ease their addiction through meditation and baubles, not savagery and vampirism

This is again, another advertisement trying to romantize the high elf situation, pure media.

Blood Elves eyes turned green because of the demonic energy they consumed, however.

Another false statement that you didn’t provide a source(spoiler you can’t because is a lie).

Were you aware that they did not abandon Quel’thalas intentionally?

ignoring the fact that some of then indeed abandon quel’thals intentionally.

Thalassian Elves are still Elves . They identify deeply with wide open nature and tranquility. When they kill, whether to eat or to maintain, they honor that practice and they seek to maintain a balance.

a made up argument with no source

Elementals like the wyrms

made up statement.

The moral grounds here are closer to saying that it’s one thing to eat to live, but a very different thing to torture elementals themselves.

made up argument distorting the situation saying they were “torturing elementals”

. The wyrms are part of a cycle, and the Elves honor that cycle. It’s closer to asking someone who views cows as sacred why they’ll eat deer to live but won’t eat a cow.

a big made up argument that i have no idea how you come up with this one, that can’t even look anymore at the rest of yours posts

when I actually provided arguments that were sufficient

Come back again when you provide canon source of your “arguments” listed above, or, admit you were wrong.

do you want to? if so, start a thread asking for them.

no thanks, i kinda know how the game of two factions work, when i want to play a race of the other faction i go to the other faction.

[Atalanta-trollbane (Atalanta)]

I have to ask, what do you think is wrong about it? The end result is definitely correct, but what do you think is wrong?

For reference the end result I see is:

1. High Elves.
2. Branch into Blood Elves. Less than 10% choose not to.
3. Branch into Void Elves. A small research group.

1+2 are definitely High Elves. 3 Is harder because magic and biological corruption.

Which part is wrong?

[Elfkin-kilrogg]

no thanks, i kind know how the game of two factions work, when i want to play a race of the other faction i go to the other faction.

but i’m already on alliance . its just the horde are trying to dictate what, if any, customizations i can receive, whilst simultaneously demanding they be given an alliance high elf customization because they are also high elves. the irony and hypocrisy is off the chain.

[Shadethistle-darkspear (Shadethistle)]

If it makes you feel better I meant represented as a playable race

I knew what you meant, and I agree with all your points. It is just so frustrating to hear Blizzard themselves say “there aren’t any of them. They are on the horde. It’s an unreasonable request” when it’s BLIZZARD that keeps putting them in the game, trolling Alliance players.

[Atalanta-trollbane (Atalanta)]

when they could they start sending supplies, thats the truth.

Given that you’re now willing to straight up lie, we’re done.

You’ve removed a great deal from those quotes, removed all of the context, and removed the responses.

You’re now objectively, wholesale, lying. Not only is your quote a series of pieces of speech but it’s not even full sentences The original quote had full sentences, with a lot of background.

If you want to keep lying to yourself about your elves, feel free. I have no interest in engaging you in that self indulgence.

[Syegfryed-tol-barad (Syegfryed)]

its just the horde are trying to dictate what, if any, customizations i can receive

no we aren’t

but if you are asking high elf customization for void elves amuses me a lot, when someone above me is preaching that people care about lore and not about skin color

[Elfkin-kilrogg]

i already told ya. i dun wanna be blue. i wanna be brown. just so happens theres a non playable high elf right on my faction but i’m not allowed to ask for its customizations, yet the horde are, because they’re both high elves. you cant make this stuff up

[Syegfryed-tol-barad (Syegfryed)]

Given that you’re now willing to straight up lie, we’re done.

You are still deflecting, you still din’t provided a canon source about a cycle you made up friend.

You’ve removed a great deal from those quotes, removed all of the context, and removed the responses.

try to provide the canon sources, i will be waiting

You’re now objectively, wholesale, lying.

Elementals like the wyrms, on the other hand, differ greatly from animals. The moral grounds here are closer to saying that it’s one thing to eat to live, but a very different thing to torture elementals themselves. The wyrms are part of a cycle, and the Elves honor that cycle. It’s closer to asking someone who views cows as sacred why they’ll eat deer to live but won’t eat a cow.

Blood Elves eyes turned green because of the demonic energy they consumed, however.

this is you, lying friend, blatantly lying

i guess the players who want high elves are also hypocrite?

If you want to keep lying to yourself about your elves, feel free.

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[Atalanta-trollbane (Atalanta)]

• Eyes turned green? Everyone knows why. I shouldn’t have to provide evidence. Fel energies from the crystals all over Quel’thalas.
• I could be wrong, I don’t need to be right. High Elves had a moral opposition to draining the magic from beings to survive. It doesn’t matter why. They did, and that’s that. It’s not the same as eating animals for food because it’s not the same physical act with the same physical result.
• You’ve still failed to acknowledge that you lied about the Blood Elves trying to help those they exiled. Not only does that contradict the concept of exile but it makes no sense given the situation.
• You’ve also failed to consider that a shattered people aren’t unified. There’s no shame in trying to survive, but that also means that people who stay in a safe city aren’t more to blame than those who choose to be immoral.

[Syegfryed-tol-barad (Syegfryed)]

but i’m not allowed to ask for its customizations,

thats because you are changed by the void

they are different from blood elves exactly to be able to be playable in the alliance, de-voiding then would erase the entire motive of their difference in the first place.

thinking you are entitled to the blood/high elf color to your void elf is also think blood elves should also have the blood elves colors and customization.

they are different therefore their customization should be different, if you want brown elves play horde if you want blue elves play alliance

[Hypêrspace-dalaran (Hypêrspace)]

what if i want an elf thats only blue part of the time, like worgen only need to be worgen in combat. this means the rest of the time, i could not look like a drowned rat. since the only time it matters that i’m not a belf is when i’m in combat, that works out perfectly. i mean, i am a belf ya know.

[Syegfryed-tol-barad (Syegfryed)]

Eyes turned green? Everyone knows why. I shouldn’t have to provide evidence. Fel energies from the crystals all over Quel’thalas.

thats not what you said, i will quote again:

Blood Elves eyes turned green because of the demonic energy they consumed, however.

thats what you said, a lie, and you have being corrected.

I could be wrong, I don’t need to be right.

you definitely need to be right, what kind of discussion you want to have saying nonsense and false arguments? this only make you look bad.

High Elves had a moral opposition to draining the magic from beings to survive. It doesn’t matter why.

its matter since you brought that up.

It’s not the same as eating animals for food because it’s not the same physical act with the same physical result.

again, where is the source on that? where is the warcraft rules about that, or you are, like i said, making thins up to support a fail argument of high elves?

You’ve still failed to acknowledge that you lied about the Blood Elves trying to help those they exiled. Not only does that contradict the concept of exile but it makes no sense given the situation.

i didn’t lied, i was mistaken about the time spawn of when the aid was send, but it didn’t change the argument at all, Lorthemar still cared about then and said they could back if they want, but their egocentrism din’t let then

you are focusing on this mistake and on the gramar, because you have literally nothing else to hold your ground, because all the headcanon canon was debunked.

You’ve also failed to consider that a shattered people aren’t unified. There’s no shame in trying to survive, but that also means that people who stay in a safe city aren’t more to blame than those who choose to be immoral.

now the blood elves chose to be “immoral”, that is rly cute

You didn’t make nothing with this argument except to further prove my point about how high elves see then as more moral, more pure all the other headcanon they use.

You are implying the act to kill mana wyrms to survive is immoral, when there is no code of conduct or moral law book in the thalassian society, except a completely subjective point of view of a group of elves - elves who are well know for being egocentric - that did far worse in the past against their troll enemies.

what if i want an elf thats only blue part of the time, like worgen only need to be worgen in combat. this means the rest of the time, i could not look like a drowned rat. since the only time it matters that i’m not a belf is when i’m in combat, that works out perfectly. i mean, i am a belf ya know.

you find another game, void elves are not getting blood/high elves skin colors same as blood elves are not getting void elves skin colors.

[Hypêrspace-dalaran (Hypêrspace)]

blood elves are not getting void elves skin colors.

you sure about that. i mean they got everything else.

[Syegfryed-tol-barad (Syegfryed)]

the victim card don’t work, it didn’t work in 13 years it will not work now.

[Hypêrspace-dalaran (Hypêrspace)]

i’ll be sure to keep tabs on when you ask for something.

[Narinsil-wyrmrest-accord]

They’re on the Horde and are waiting for you.

Now with Blue Eyes.

[Syegfryed-tol-barad (Syegfryed)]

im asking for NOT high elves in the alliance.

[Hypêrspace-dalaran (Hypêrspace)]

i have several. i want a variant of the one i have on alliance. actually no, i dont. i’m planning on letting my sub run out. and no i wont come play your game

[Hypêrspace-dalaran (Hypêrspace)]

youre asking for belfs to be given the customization of a model thats on alliance, but ya know what, it doesnt matter.