We're porting Retail add-ons to Beta, Come Get 'Em

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Of course curse wouldn’t, all the OP posted was random github links. Which I’m totally cool with, he’s not trying to sell them as official versions just something for now until all the official peoples get their ducks in a row.

[Zenetta-proudmoore (Zenetta)]

As far as copyright concerns go, what I’ve seen in past betas is that people will often post simple instructions on how to get a current addon to work on the beta before the addon author has a chance to update it (or in some cases the author may not even be in beta). Sometimes that involves copy and pasting little tidbits of the code and saying make this minor modification to get the addon to load and stop spamming you with errors.

Since you’re just providing instructions on how to modify their official current release and not re-distributing anything, would that be something people could do here instead of making github pages of the addons?

IE: I know nothing about LUA, but looking at the OP’s clique changes (thankfully I dled that before it was removed!) and doing diffs on the handful of files they changed, it seems like it’s just commenting out stuff related to frames that don’t exist (like arena frames and the focus frame) as well as commenting out code that does things with retail’s multi-spec system.

[Fateweaver-misha (Fateweaver)]

OP missed an opportunity in his thread title. Should have made it “Git 'Em”.

[Absolootly-thrall (Absolootly)]

As others have said,
Bartender

It’s the one add-on I can’t live without as a /filthy/ clicker.

I also wouldn’t be upset if MoveAnything found its way into Classic!

Edit: Also, thanks so much for the work you and the others are doing!~ For a lot of us who aren’t technologically inclined whatsoever, add-ons ARE magic.

[Fizzlemizz-azjolnerub (Fizzlemizz)]

Since you’re just providing instructions on how to modify their official current release and not re-distributing anything, would that be something people could do here instead of making github pages of the addons?

Applying modifications for personal use is fine even if the how-to comes from someone else. Your change, your headache.

[Bluspacecow-muradin (Bluspacecow)]

If the “re-birthed” addon breaks and people want a fix, where do you think they will go to report “bugs”. So now they have the double headache because they can’t support a pirated addon on a version of the game they don’t have access to.

Well maybe what people can do for those that have been uploaded on Github is to include boilerplate in their readme stating -

• That the addon is a fan-based update only
• What the OG author’s addon license is and if they have permission under license for the fan update (after attempting to contact the OG author)
• Any bugs or issues due to the fan-based update is to come to the author of the fan-based update.
• DO NOT contact the OG author for bugs/issue with the fan-based update
• That you should be watching the original addon page for updates on official classic versions.
• When the original author does update a Classic version please update and start using that instead.

Technically this doesn’t exonerate those who chose make a fan based update without the permissions of the original author particularly if the addon is under a rights reserved or similar license. What it does do is make it clear that the fan-based update is a completely separate work to the original authors.

Now while it’s true Addon authors technically have copyrights for their addons (and the have say on what should be done with their addons) most addon authors aren’t completely unfriendly people and know that people would want Classic versions of their addons. A boiler-plate notice would be a huge step in the right direction. Who knows ? Maybe the people posting Classic versions on this thread will become the new Classic team for those addons ?

[Omegall-stormrage (Omegall)]

Well, I must sadly report another casualty. When it came to our beloved TomTom, I am simply not well-enough versed in how to adjust coordinate transforms appropriately for the modern map APIs to work with the original versions of the Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor. I guess we’ll just have to wait for the folks with the know how to give us coordinates and waypoints.

This is actually built into DBM, although not quite as accurately since the vectoring is slightly off. The arrows get you close to the general area but are always a few yards off. I’ve never really bothered to really dig into why, considering all I do is use blizzards built in apis to calculate world coords to local coords and vectors.

[Fizzlemizz-azjolnerub (Fizzlemizz)]

A boiler-plate notice would be a huge step in the right direction. Who knows ? Maybe the people posting Classic versions on this thread will become the new Classic team for those addons ?

This is just sad. Giving even a tincture of official approval. Nostalrius must be laughing their heads off.

Most authors are friendly and helpful to other coders which is one reason why this is not ok without any permissions or notifications or other basic decencies. Legalities aside.

[Bluspacecow-muradin (Bluspacecow)]

I thought TomTom has a new library it’s using for that. I remember having to download the new library separately for it for BfA many many months ago.

[Gaunterr-wyrmrest-accord]

TRP 3 Please

I plan to host RP events for dungeons where we do the dungeon in IC, basically roleplaying the dungeon. I will need that addon to do it.

[Omegall-stormrage (Omegall)]

I thought TomTom has a new library it’s using for that. I remember having to download the new library separately for it for BfA many many months ago.

Maybe HereBeDragons? i mean it’s all you really need for map stuff these days. Since DBM’s waypoint arrow is very basic, I don’t embed an entire map library for it. The only reason DBM even has a waypoint arrow is because for many years we could use arrows in raids so DBM already had the coordinate and arrow systems in place. Blizzard gutted that inside raids so I said “well, it already has all functionality, i’ll give it /dway slash command and let people use it as an outdoor waypoint arrow and call it a day vs deleting all this work”

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

A boiler-plate notice would be a huge step in the right direction. Who knows ? Maybe the people posting Classic versions on this thread will become the new Classic team for those addons ?

This is just sad. Giving even a tincture of official approval. Nostalrius must be laughing their heads off.

Most authors are friendly and helpful to other coders which is one reason why this is not ok without any permissions or notifications or other basic decencies. Legalities aside.

I’m not seeing anywhere that the OP isn’t giving credit to original authors.

[Bluspacecow-muradin (Bluspacecow)]

This is just sad. Giving even a tincture of official approval. Nostalrius must be laughing their heads off.

My post is not official approval. I do not work for Blizzard (you should know this?)

Most authors are friendly and helpful to other coders which is one reason why this is not ok without any permissions or notifications or other basic decencies. Legalities aside.

I think you missed the point of my post. Fan updates are going to be uploaded anyway. If they haven’t checked this thread they’ll probably upload them anyway.

My post was in the spirit of if Fan updates are inevitable maybe they can be done in such a way that respects the addon authors. And yes the original addon authors should be contacted before any fan update is worked on.

[Fizzlemizz-azjolnerub (Fizzlemizz)]

My post is not official approval. I do not work for Blizzard (you should know this?)

If green isn’t a tincture, I don’t know what is.

Fan updates of addons that are current and not being updated purely because the authors don’t have beta access is not a Spirit of anything.

Addons and their authors have been around far longer than streamers. If Blizzard wanted addons as part of the beta they know full well how to get in contact with said authors and could have done so well before now.

And no, I’m not having a hissy fit just because I don’t have access. The principle stands. Legalities aside.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

My post is not official approval. I do not work for Blizzard (you should know this?)

If green isn’t a tincture, I don’t know what is.

Fan updates of addons that are current and not being updated purely because the authors don’t have beta access is not a Spirit of anything.

Addons and their authors have been around far longer than streamers. If Blizzard wanted addons as part of the beta they know full well how to get in contact with said authors and could have done so well before now.

And no, I’m not having a hissy fit just because I don’t have access. The principle stands.

Well actually no, blizzard does not work with add on developers before hand. And I’m sure they’ll be happy to tell you that.

[Omegall-stormrage (Omegall)]

If talking about fan updates on curse or wowI, they are almost always approved by original author because they know they are done. In fact curse will absolutely refuse a fan update that isn’t authorized, if they even take it at all. They generally encourage take overs to take over original project instead.

Did you know Weak Auras 2 is a fan update? Weak Auras was made by Mirrorman or whatever his name was but he abandoned it. Stanzilla got authorization to take it over and it became Weak Auras 2. Then project obviously grew over time, and almost no one remembers original author behind weak auras 1 (it’s barely the same addon anymore though so it’s only fair.

DBM is also technically a fan update. It was originally created a duo. Paul and Martin. But I took over all duties in wrath and became official owner later on. It’s also barely the same addon it was before takeover as I’ve commited many YEARS of full time into it at this point.

So you see, fan updates can be HUGE. The two biggest addons on both live and classic, are technically fan updates However, they need proper approval. I actually have legal documents that prove I own DBM. It’s always wise to cover all bases.

[Fizzlemizz-azjolnerub (Fizzlemizz)]

Well actually no, blizzard does not work with add on developers before hand. And I’m sure they’ll be happy to tell you that.

I’m not sure what you’re talking about. Addon authors could have been part of the first beta batch as a nod to want addons in you know, beta. Like streamers were invited as a nod to wanting …??? hype maybe.

[Omegall-stormrage (Omegall)]

I’m not sure what you’re talking about. Addon authors could have been part of the first beta batch as a nod to want addons in you know, beta. Like streamers were invited as a nod to wanting …??? hype maybe.

Addons and their authors have been around far longer than streamers. If Blizzard wanted addons as part of the beta they know full well how to get in contact with said authors and could have done so well before now.

Addon authors were in fact brought into beta at very high priority. There are already over a dozen in beta and more being added probably next wave. Blizzard HAS reached out and is getting addon authors into beta. In this regard, they are treating us just as important as any content creator, because they know classic will need addons.

[Fizzlemizz-azjolnerub (Fizzlemizz)]

So you see, fan updates can be HUGE.

Current addons… Supported addons… available in BfA addons. Why do they need fan updates for beta?

[Omegall-stormrage (Omegall)]

Current addons… Supported addons… available in BfA addons. Why do they need fan updates for beta?

I was sidetracking, i’m not saying there should be fan updates of current addons. There really shouldn’t IMO. I actually have about a dozen addons that aren’t mine running on my machine for personal use only in beta, and I haven’t (nor plan to) share ANY of them. I just wanted to also stress that approved fan updates for discontinued/dead addons are a very good thing, and it’s just important to know the difference between the two.