Were are the strong, male leads in Warcraft?

He is totally not. They show you exactly how bad he is this whole patch.

I say we crown Macho Man Randy Savage as High King of the Alliance!

Not sure how well he’d run things 
 but at least we’d never run out of cream, for our coffee!

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My man, not only do you LOOK like Sab, your mog is his colorset.

You’ll never convince me you’re not (probably) evil stepdad dragon running a smear campaign against his jack Sparrow impersonator baby brother.

WoW stops having ridiculous, roided out, testosterone snorting jackasses for like, 1 1/2 patches
And the goombas start crying

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You mean expansion? Or care to elaborate? I can’t think of anyone after Sir D that fits the bill your making.

You mention Jaina but not Kadghar? While Jaina is ridiculously powerful, Kadghar is even stronger.
You mention The Winter Queen without mentioning The Primus, who’s the one who guides us to victory, a cunning strategist and the creator of domination magic.
You mention Sylvannas, a retired character, without mentioning Illidan, who’s also a retired character who’s very powerful.
I’d argue that Alexstrasza hasn’t shown a lot of power in this expansion, being easily defeated by Raszageth, while Nozdormu is at least on her same level, specially when we consider his foresight (which, admittedly, tends to fail whenever the plot requires it, though).

Thrall is still around, and dismissing Anduin as weak is at least a convenient narrative.

There are some very strong females, that’s for sure, and I’d say some of them feel a bit forced (I’ve never understood why is Jaina so powerful), but to pretend that only the females are powerful and there’s no powerful male around is not exactly an honest argument.

She was trained by Antonidas, the last great archmage of Dalaran, and has since sucked up the Thunder King’s magic after we beat him, which is a not-unsubstantial amount of pure Titan power.

She’s got pretty good reason to have some major magic chops.

So as a story writer I dont think its Blizzards responsibility to create characters of any type. The characters are what they are because thats how they’re written.

I guess if you wanted this type of guy in wows story you’re going to be disappointed?

I also think its kind of harsh to say kalecgos is emo. Especially with the latest quests where he is reaching out to members of his flight to reunite them and its a struggle. He had alot of responsibility thrown at him all at once. The scene where the dragon in pandaria doesnt want to come back but kalecgos says they’ll always be family no matter the distance. Like that is heartwarming. Very postitive depiction of a father/leader figure having to deal with tough situations.

Its okay to be a guy and have emotions. Society really sets unfair expections on guys to think that we all need to act like some emotionless adonis to have value.

Im not here to change your perspective on “masculinity”. But maybe someone else will see this and start to question the norm.

Best of luck

Jaina is a good comparison to Kadgar. Both trained by powerful teachers. Both have immensely power (guardians staff). Both have white in their hair.

For clarity:

  1. Creating a relatable story for your customers is what a good game storyteller does. There are a plethora of passionate storys in games that flop because not enough people can relate/enjoy.
  2. Wow had these types of characters, I am voicing my opinion because I am disappointed.
  3. Kelegos is great as his own character style. But the point was listing out the wide variety of personalities currently in the game (yes, generalized a bit to much) but noting that the type I am referring to is not represented.
  4. As stated, there are many well written male figures. But none that I have seen recently that fill the primary “badass” leader type roll relating to traits of the examples given which was my primary draw to the game in the first place.
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They’ve been replaced with extremely cringe female leads, but not even female - females acting like big tough men. It’s so degrading and weird for everyone involved. lmao

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Kind of like your gatekeeping of who is allowed to be “female”.

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This statement is so confusing.

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WoW definitely needs a Trevor Belmont.

Boy, Sabellian where’s black mostly, has dreadlocks an even orange eyes.

Do you need to visit a healer?

Hear me roar!

I don’t know if this is your point, but all your examples of strong male role models are definitely not positive strong male role models.

Seriously - Arthas? Illidan? Garrosh? They are mega jerks with a whole heap of negative qualities and only a weak few positive ones.

As a father why would you want your kid to identify with these guys? Are you trying to create a narcissistic sociopath?

You’ll be sitting there one day welcoming your son back from college and you’ll hear bells


Oh yeah, not “all” of them are “good guys”. I would definitely say some of them were positive role models, not perfect obv nobody is lol.

Last time I checked, there wasn’t actual magic that corrupts the soul (granted, I’ve seen social media ;D). Although I can’t say there would be no pride in my sons work if he managed to become an undead overlord taking over an entire continent with an army bigger than a single nation of unwavering undead followers
 it would beat my achievement of “finished collage” XD.

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Consider this
 even WoW’s bad men barely have many good qualities.

Arthas? Not driven, not thorough, easily corrupted. Bad leadership skills.

He didn’t even take over Northrend. There were farmers and such still going strong right nextdoor.

These are more edge lord / mustache twirling villains.

A strong male role model that’s negative? Wilson Fisk from the Netflix Dare Devil series.

Or the Vulture from the newest Spiderman movie.

Warcraft use to have Mr T, Ozzy, appear at rock festivals, sponsored motercycles
 like you seem surprised some people like edge lord characters in wow
 fist = face mentality. There is a reason SL favorite character was Sire D
 why Arthas was such a drawing character
 why people screamed when Metzen called out your faction at blizzcon. It’s not some weird one off, it was part of warcrafts identity. Imagine taking blood from diablo because “it’s to edgy”.

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