I think if Blizzard wanted us to revisit the situation to make people more aware of it, they could have handled it more sympathetically.
If I wrote the quest, I would make it so maybe Alex is not aware of us at all. We appear as an Orc to her, and loosen her chains, and rub salves on her wounds. That helps her shed some hatred she may have had about Orcs after she is free, because she remembers there was one that treated her kindly during her imprisonment (even though it was the player champion disguised as an Orc).
If the goal is to shed light on that part of the lore for people who arenāt aware, we would still revisit the situation, but we do not participate in it happening. Instead we help her endure, and add a bit of explanation why she doesnāt hate Orcs as much as people think she should. Because there was one who treated her kindly.
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Oh absolutely, and as I said I think this quest does need to be removed, because it is not handling it well.
Youāre correct that this quest could be re-examined and turned into something better, something that is more sympathetic, but at the moment, with current context, itās just not that and if I have to choose between a game that doesnāt have this content in it, and a game that has unsympathetic content in it like this? I choose the former.
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Unironically this is a much better suggestion than any of the other suggestions where weād do the very thing the Infinites do.
Personally I donāt want to even see the area sheād be in. I donāt want to know where she is or how sheās doing. Just find the Dragon Soul, kick it somewhere that any mook will find it and leave. Iām well aware of the necessity of this event and the timeframe, I simply donāt want to be there any longer than I have to.
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Oh. Yeah I do remember a dead lady from the Rogue questline. And then later people told me she was a spyder.
Which- okay? Im guessing sight unseen that Wrathion probably had a hand with that knife in the dark that ended the agent?
I mean I guess I can see the furor. Stormwind is so low on non-Boyscout characters that anyone even capable of crime probably stands out in your memory.
Iām weirdly attached to a two time quest giver in Vengance Landing because heās an undead dog lover so I canāt throw shade on that note.
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I remember a timeline in which Thrall did end up dying and thus never managed to crush Blackmoore and Durnholde.
This resulted in Blackmoore killing Terenas and take over Lordaeron with his personal guard. Arthas fled to Stormwind where he grew up and eventually married Jaina. Uther was also killed and thus Arthas probably never became a paladin as a result. He may not have become the Lich King either.
I do not think we know what happened to this timeline, but there was turmoil in the Alliance regardless, and Stormwind probably did not recognize Blackmoore as the rightful leader of Lordaeron, but they instead recognized and supported Arthas, which in turn would make these two kingdoms end up at war.
But it just shows what a huge difference a small change in the timeline could make. So things have to happen, no matter how horrible.
Yeah that situation is icky at best, especially given all the skeletons that fell outāve Blizzās closet.
But idk. I guess I commend them for not just pretending that story beat never happened. But it was a plot point written by exclusively nerdy men in the mid 90s as an excuse for a RTS mission.
Trying to pull anything poignant out of that seems like a foolās errand.
I am a big fan of the Black Bride, mostly because she was so awesome to encounter as a low level quester back in vanilla. I didnāt know as much about WoW back then. Everything was new. I wondered about her back story, and where I could learn more.
Turns out, there are a lot of NPCs around that just strike a chord with people, even though they do not do much. So I can see the outrage about Amber on that note, without knowing much else about her.
As far as the Black Brideā¦ I could think of lots of various back stories. One might be that the Scourge attacked during her wedding, and her husband did something cowardly and fled. Maybe knocked over children and elderly on his way out. And since she was declared dead, he took her property and belongings. So she wants to fight for the Basin and get revenge on her living husband.
Or maybe she was always an eccentric woman in life, and wore a black dress to her wedding because she bucked convention, and she was known as the black bride even in life.
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Personally I was mad she didnāt get fleshed out during BFA.
Iāve repeatedly expressed that Iām not mad that Blizz divorced the Forsaken from Sylvanas. Iām mad about how stupid the story about it was, but overall she had hogged the spotlight for far too long despite not being all that interesting relative to most of the other characters.
They just didnt replace her with anything.
I wouldāve made the Black Bride one of the rotating Horde Commanders for the Battle of Stromgarde leading the Defilers into the fight.
And if she goes up against Trollbane Iād have their banter reveal that the Black Bride is not just a Stromgardi national, but was Trollbaneās warrior apprentice with whom he had an affair. When the wife found out she was banished and she relocated in Lordaeron where she fell to the plague.
So now sheās fighting to claim Stromgarde not strictly for the Horde or Forsaken but for the many undead Stromgardi his family abandoned.
Because seriously there was a whole city of undead Stromgardi in the KotEB quest hall and they just abruptly stop existing.
But then weād have a scenario where the Horde actually has a decent cause to fight for and BFA was married to them being one dimensional villains with one whole brain cell to share.
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But every choice I made, I would proudly make again! Burn the tree. Bomb the port. None of these matter. We will see Twilight soon enough.
Indeed, itās in Thrall: Twilight of the Aspects
As for what happened after the novelā¦i guess that like most of the timelines, it vanished.
True, i have fond memories of Fionaās caravan by exemple.
On the other hand, during this quest at Legion the Ebon Blade killed Galen Trollbane and cleaned the place.
As Galen turned his back on the Forsaken to declare Stromgarde an independent undead kingdom, he no longer had the Horde support.
So with no leader, their ranks decimated by the Ebon Blade with Danath coming full force at BfA to take back the city, is it really surprising that thereāre no longer undeads in Stromgard?
In the end, this is probably the point on which most of us agree: These quests should have been better handled.
And remember a key point: They are dailies meaning that we will have to do them time and time again.
Be honest: Do they look like quests that should be done on a daily basis?
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I mean yeah. Trollbane commiting an ethnic cleansing of his own defenseless countrymen because theyre sorta spooky now would have certainly made for an interesting subplot.
But again the Alliance is only allowed to be accidentally evil.
Are they dailies? When I looked it up, it said nothing of the sort. Was more info revealed?
I donāt know about that. The way they were handling the Vulpera wasā¦rather purposeful.
Itās more like the Allianceās evil is much more isolated and sporadic.
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Yeah but that only happens on a Horde toon.
On an Alliance toon you merely scare the Vulpera off with Fear Totems. Which isnāt exactly nice I guess but for the standards of a damn world war thatās about as humanitarian as it gets.
I was more talking about Blue Cata content.
Seriously I have lost count of how many sanctimonious weirdos have posted here, talking about the Forsaken Hillsbrad questline like it was a documentary about occupied Poland.
And then I jump over to the Alliance quests, and ya got the Dwarves stacking the skulls of natives just trying to survive while Stormwindian guards gleefully strangle homeless people.
Iām standing here like;
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Asmongold and Soulsobreezy are defending this Alexstrasza questline. We just need Accolonn to get involved, and weāll have the whole trinity of WoW streamer ghouls on the case.
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Outāve sheer curiosity are you like, registered to vote?
Or if you think electoral politics are for boomers have you looked into any local leftist organizations? I guarantee you thereās more than a few that could probably use this energy.
Just throwing that out there.
Thanks for the suggestions. Make sure to tell your 40 year old stalker friend that you gave them to me.
Will do.
Anyway Iām sure youāll look back on how you spent your youth in ten years and just be so proud of all the progress you made yelling at strangers on a rapidly disintegtating billionaireās personal blog.
Ah yes the battle-cry of the functionally apolitical that like to pretend their hashtags have acheived more than running some problematic nobody off Tiktok.
