“We also want to make sure we’re making changes that aren’t disruptive to players who have found their comfort level with their class, and want to make sure that we’re focusing on the opportunities for big wins for classes.”
How dare they say that with a straight face after Legion, and in defense of the ruined aberrant garbage Legion versions of specs/classes.
Some classes feel good to play, some are terrible.
I think they want to fix those that are bad and leave alone these that are good
name 1
bet u cant
this is basically “we acknowledge some of our lower iq playerbase could struggle if too much complexity is involved and we want to make sure we dont get cancelled for being ableist”
It seems like ion has given more power and delegated classes to Holinka for 9.0.
The way he presented classes it seemed like it’s his baby now.
sub pve feels really good
isn’t worth beans compared to either other spec but it’s super fluid
/spit /10chars
dynamic charge based cds that matter are the best pve there is sry
antoruswalker had impact SEFs and it was also fun af
I mean, he’s not wrong. It plays well, it just doesn’t do damage.
DH, Mages Fire and Frost, Fury Warrior are all examples of classes that feel good to play in a PvE perspective.
Idc, bringing up sub pve in this thread is in poor taste and u should know better
oh yeah lemme just pay a whole subscription just to ignore most of the endgame
next he’s gonna tell me pet battles suck and i should just play pokemon if i wanna play pokemon. unbelievable
:^)
Bringing up Sub PvE in a thread about Legion redesigns, on the arena forums, in a thread started by a Subtlety PvP main since 2005, is in poor taste and u should know better
Please don’t rub any more salt in my wounds this old heart can’t take it
I feel like sub rogue players still think sub is a god awful spec because of what assa looks like.
The problems with sub has absolutely nothing to do with tuning and everything to do with playstyle
I have mained Sub since I started in 2005 and have never rerolled once in my life. Trust me, there is absolutely nothing about tuning that is part of the complaints and everything about playstyle and philosophy
Yea every class has a awful playstyle, theres not 1 class that has improved since wrath.
i’d like to see them bring back mop sub except do some trickery to make garrote unusable on a kill target. everything else is fine but people who want to stun stun stun into silence silence can choke
Survival to me Anyways doesn’t feel poorly designed.
I would be 100% agreeable to that
The first thing that needs to happen though is PvP Sub needs a build with static 1min CD Dance, no CDR for tunneling (incentivize restealths not uptime), and full strength Find Weakness windows
Then it needs actual timers to manage (SnD and Rupture) while disrupting and pooling for FW burst
Prot Paladin is incredibly fun to play. There are a few minor adjustments I would make to certain talents, and I feel like the spec is overly nerfed in PVP, but the playstyle and options to customize that playstyle are great.
this is a good post
i’d also say that 2part resource management like
chi/energy
CP/energy
rune/runic power
and mechanics that interact dynamically with other interactions that can change the way you play moment by moment or your ‘rotation’ in different scenarios is IMO what the aim for most specs should be
designs like i have rune so i press scourge strike until i dont have rune then i press deathcoil
or i press mutilate over and over and over until i can envenom
are extremely boring
dual resources are great when both are meaningful, but yeah when they let rp and energy attacks become universally meaningless they kind of fade back and the class becomes a single resource snooze 100% based on combo points or runes. the idea behind sub’s secret technique is cool, but i think making it a builder instead of a spender would be more interactive, a la goremaw’s bite
they could make fist of the white tiger do meaningful damage, in the same vein