We need separate subscription for wow classic!

[Ariesyun-incendius]

I do not agree OP. Sorry. I like how the service is now!

#nochanges

[Sedryn-feathermoon (Sedryn)]

Whenever somebody says “hear me out” you know whatever comes next sucks, lol.

[Viera-blackwater-raiders (Viera)]

I’d pay $15/month for Classic only, would be nice to not have the sad steam-wannabe launcher as part of that

I cba to download retail, if I want a “modern” MMO there’s much better alternatives. I don’t know why people assume so many of us want to play both games when a lot of us had already dumped retail some time ago and are only here for classic

[Bèèfpowa-azuremyst]

NO, NO, NO. Sir SIT DOWN!

[Somalion-eitrigg (Somalion)]

I don’t know why people assume so many of us want to play both games when a lot of us had already dumped retail some time ago and are only here for classic

Nobody is assuming anything, We just want the choice. OP thinks that we should not have that choice with a single sub. OP is wrong.

[Ravid-whitemane]

How about the situation where I’m not happy with classic, and would continue to play it, and only it, for $5 a month, but will not pay $15 a month so I leave.

Doesn’t make business sense to me to let such a customer go. Seems to me like an a la carte option is completely reasonable. because there will come a day where paying $15 a month for a game that’s 15 years old, that isn’t actively developed, and bugs that have existed since beta are still alive and well, becomes a no brainer to unsub from.

This is just a few of my bugs, not even like 25% of the total I’ve noticed or reported so far.

General mob behavior and flee mechanics

I’ve noticed several bugs with mob behavior. I play tauren so this may be exclusive or more common on tauren characters. New Bugs: Mobs storing autoattacks It seems like all mobs are storing autoattacks when the player is out of range, and unleashing them when back in range. Usually this happens when a mob is slowed or rooted and not otherwise completely disabled i.e. polymorph, but not in range to attack. The mob “stores” attacks and then unleashes them when back in range. The most well know…

[Extrasolar-blaumeux]

Of course the only reasonable thing, which will never happen because companies base their entire pricing strategy on trying to minimize something called “the consumer surplus”, is that there be different subscription options.

I’m not sure what it is in USD, but in CAD currently a sub is ~18 dollars a month.

Make it so that 18 covers both games, or, you can get a 9 dollar monthly subscription for one version.

Or perhaps, weigh it differently, since more resources and upkeep go into patching and updating retail - so 12 for retail, 6 for classic, etc etc.

But it’s not gonna happen, because they know if they make it one fixed rate, you’ll just pay for both if it’s the only option. It’s the same reason amusement parks and zoos usually charge for a whole day pass, with no cheaper 1 or 2 hour pass option. Down with the consumer surplus.

[Secordes-grobbulus]

I am not playing Retail, but I do look at the sub as a real bargain, You get two (although different styles) games for the same subscription. I actually thought Blizzard was going to charge extra. I look at this as a good move for Blizzard. Giving us all MORE not less Value. I may launch Retail on days the guild is quiet, to pet battle. The Combo subscription makes it so worth it.

[Absolutfreak-herod]

OP, have you ever considered applying for a job at a company like EA? They love to do things like give you less for your money and make it sound like that’s somehow a good thing.

[Viera-blackwater-raiders (Viera)]

Nobody is assuming anything

This is false.

Don’t you have a Wall of No to go spam somewhere, or are you too busy riding the classic hype train?

[Ravid-whitemane]

I am not playing Retail, but I do look at the sub as a real bargain, You get two (although different styles) games for the same subscription. I actually thought Blizzard was going to charge extra. I look at this as a good move for Blizzard. Giving us all MORE not less Value. I may launch Retail on days the guild is quiet, to pet battle. The Combo subscription makes it so worth it.

I really don’t understand the disconnect here. You people really just don’t get it do you? There’s no value in something that has no worth to someone. It’s like selling someone a Corolla for the price of a Porsche and saying the Corolla is “included”. Okay great. But I’m only interested in the Corolla I don’t want the Porsche. It has no value to me.

Or selling cable TV when you want a sub to just HBO and saying its included. Okay, but I just want the HBO sub, I’m glad that it’s included in the cable package, but I don’t want the cable package. So charging me the cable package and saying it’s good “value” is total bs. It’s good value if you wanted both. But to those who wanted just a single package, it’s not. That’s literally what the entire steaming movement is based on, only paying for what you use.

[Extrasolar-blaumeux]

It’s pretty remarkable, isn’t it, Ravid?

It’s scary how well these marketing and pricing techniques actually work.

Just like - buy 2, get 1 free - no, you’re just getting 50% off, none of it’s free, it’s all factored in. Or how those points cards at every store give you ‘savings’ - no, they get you to pay the standard profitable price, the ‘non member’s price’ is just inflated to incentivize people to sign up and delude themselves into thinking they’re cleverly being frugal.

Oh well. Hail our corporate overloads for giving us things in exchange for money. How lucky we are!

[Voidous-emerald-dream]

Get a life, silly gnome

[Eilis-kelthuzad]

How about the situation where I’m not happy with classic, and would continue to play it, and only it, for $5 a month, but will not pay $15 a month so I leave.

Then you leave.

People unsub from games all the time.

If it’s not worth $15/mo to you, okay. That’s entirely you’re choice.

But do you honestly expect them to charge you less for Classic than the original sub from 2004?

The one sub for both is working in your favor. Otherwise it’d be something like this:
If you have a retail sub at $15/mo, you can get Classic for $5/mo.
If you only want Classic $15/mo.

It was never going to, and will never, be less than $15/mo for Classic by itself. (Unless the decide to decrease the sub cost overall after 15 years)

[Somalion-eitrigg (Somalion)]

Don’t you have a Wall of No to go spam somewhere, or are you too busy riding the classic hype train?

I may still have a copy yes. I won’t post it as it’s not really relevant anymore.
Even when I posted it I never said I would not play Classic if Blizzard caved, I just said it was dumb for them to cave (and still feel that way).
I like being able to play either.

[Echab-zuljin]

Thats literally the point hes making choose one we dont want retail vacationers on classic

I would say what I want to say but I would be banned.
I play both, I like both. Maybe you should stop being an elitist jerk and let others play how they want. If it wasn’t for ‘retail vacationers’ there would be no classic population.

Was about to throw down the elitist label and you beat me to it

And him and the OP can go stick it. They are no more entitled to this game than anyone else. If they want to play in their own little world free of retailers they can start a guild called Elitist Jerks and only let “their kind in.”

Geez, this tribalism between the two camps is getting so old.

[Ravid-whitemane]

It’s pretty remarkable, isn’t it, Ravid?

It’s scary how well these marketing and pricing techniques actually work.

Just like - buy 2, get 1 free - no, you’re just getting 50% off, none of it’s free, it’s all factored in. Or how those points cards at every store give you ‘savings’ - no, they get you to pay the standard profitable price, the ‘non member’s price’ is just inflated to incentivize people to sign up and delude themselves into thinking they’re cleverly being frugal.

Oh well. Hail our corporate overloads for giving us things in exchange for money. How lucky we are!

Until it doesn’t. Sure there’s a lot of hype now, but I can guarentee that if these major issues don’t get resolved quickly, and we aren’t treated to the full $15 experience (class class forums, macro forums, game masters, no layering, etc) the hype will die down, and the savvy players that aren’t blinded by hype or rose tinted glasses will leave instead of pay for the package deal. Just like what happened to cable.

Believe it or not, classic has competitors. And at the moment, a properly ran 1.12 server runs circles around the current state of classic

[Magerpia-bleeding-hollow]

Dicken’s Cider?

Everyone knows chicks love a hot Dicken’s Cider.

[Galathïr-wyrmrest-accord]

If you find no value here, may I suggest you move along to a game you do find value in? I’m not opposed to the idea of offering a Classic only sub for less money. I think that’s a fair suggestion. I do not, however, think that demanding people who play both games pay more than the current sub price is a good, nor a fair suggestion. The OP’s post was foolish and ill-conceived. You seem to have just suggested that because Classic has no value to you, that makes it universal. And I can assure you that your impression is absolutely NOT mine. And I say that as someone who had ZERO interest in playing classic before it launched. I’m glad I let myself be swayed into logging into Classic. I haven’t played Retail in two weeks. I, however, would NOT consider keeping my $15 sub without also having Retail available to me. Classic is not a $15 game. I think, if I’m not mistaken, that you and I agree on that point.

[Glavemistake-zuljin]

we dont want retail vacationers on classic

your lvl 21, you know raid has already been cleared right? you know people are max level right? where do you get off calling someone else a “vacationer” when you’re behind most of them?