We need an Evil Faction

[Felleynd-aggramar]

I thought the horde were the evil races

[Saángreal-moon-guard (Saángreal)]

The evil faction is my worsening eyesight and it’s little friend carpal tunnel

[Felleynd-aggramar]

I thought the horde were the evil faction???

[Jaesears-dalaran]

We’re hippies because we’re tired of fighting the same people over and over and over and over again Okay buddy, you’re so edgy, congrats.

[Saángreal-moon-guard (Saángreal)]

We’re not evil we’re just misunderstood

[Heavywood-crusader-strike]

Back in the day I used to play an undead rogue villain character that killed people mid tram ride…… than they made the tram a sanctuary zone and my reign of villainy ended.

[Yangxiaolóng-bleeding-hollow (Yangxiaolóng)]

thats the evilest thing i can imagine meme, powerpuff girls (youtube.com)

[Profezzor-sargeras (Profezzor)]

You are not going to break up the player pool. They just did the opposite. Not happening bro.

[Phoenix-fizzcrank]

DKs just need to break off and become their own faction.

They will do whatever it takes to get the job done.

[Tenebrae-eredar]

@Jaesears-dalaran

We’re hippies because we’re tired of fighting the same people over and over and over and over again

You mean demons and void stuff?

[Felleynd-aggramar]

we all know the horde is evil

[Felendren-baelgun]

@Phyrixis-moon-guard

There’s war and conflict still happening. It’s not about the faction war. Get over it.

The war and conflict we have now is a damn joke. If you like the idea of “da childern o azroth working togeder to fight teh big bad!!” Over and over ad nauseum then you have the tastes of a toddler.

@Mistinyte-alexstrasza

Or is it YOU need an evil faction?

No, it’s definitely a lot of people… like a LOT. It’s just fun to play the bad guy for many people.

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

I mean, if you want to join team ‘Perpetual Losers’ then go right ahead. I’ll be here on the Hero team that keeps winning.

Your takes are as bad as ever I see…

@Kiofea-illidan

Funny how no one batted in eye in Warcraft III when the Humans, New Horde, and Night Elves teamed up against the Burning Legion, or in Vanilla to Wrath of the Lich King where there was no emphasis on the faction war and the Alliance and Horde routinely teamed up against larger threats, or in Cataclysm when the Alliance and Horde teamed up against the Twilight’s Hammer, fire elementals, and Deathwing, or in Mists of Pandaria when the Alliance and Horde rebels teamed up against Garrosh, or in Warlords of Draenor where the Alliance and Horde teamed up against the Iron Horde and Gul’dan, or in Legion when the Alliance and Horde teamed up against the Burning Legion once again…

The reason having the opposing factions banding together has been cool since wc3 is the fact it’s not the norm. That was one of the reasons that story was good in wc3 and even then, there was still the scourge who didn’t work with everyone else, which I find funny you just ignored in order to shore up your argument.

Vanilla’s entire premise was that tensions between the Horde and Alliance were building. The tenuous pact had all but evaporated. TBC kept that status quo, but the whole reason Belves joined horde was factional enmity.

In wotlk we literally had faction conflict ingrained into the argent Tournament and as a boss fight in ICC, and before that gun ships were already shooting at eachother.

Cataclysm had SO much faction conflict until the end.

Faction conflict has always been pivotal to this franchise. Your arguments ignore so much.

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

We

You don’t get to speak for any true “We”

I am glad that at least most people visiting this thread disagree with you.

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

canon Lingxiu helped burn Teldrassil.

Where is it stated to be canon that all Horde adventurers took part in the burning of Teldrassil?

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

An evil faction would be a faction destined to lose again and again.

Not necessarily. Not until the end of WoW. Until then there can be losses and victories back and forth.

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

TBC Illidan was ‘real evil’

Debatable.

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

Kael was ‘real evil’.

Kael just went utterly nuts. Lost all his personality.

@Phyrixis-moon-guard

This is just proof that opinions are allowed to be wrong.

You are right. Your own post is indeed evidence that opinions are allowed to be wrong.

@Akariliselle-cenarion-circle

The horde vs alliance thing is played out.

It really isn’t. Just because some, even many people think so does not make it so.

The conflict between the Horde and Alliance going away in the canon amount of time it has given the things that have been done makes no damn sense, even with world-ending threats. Why? Because people often are stupid, over-confident and proud. Especially in a fantasy setting like Warcraft’s. Even the smartest high functioning people ignore existential threats because of a variety of stupid reasons. It’s real. More importantly… all the player factions/races working together happily to fend off threat after threat is pathetic child-level writing, and BORING.

@Akariliselle-cenarion-circle

having the horde fight for a few months between every catastrophic event is incredibly dumb.

Yea it is dumb from a real world perspective. Which makes sense given the cultures of the people’s we have established in canon. That’s why it’s cool and fun. We get to have these fictional characters act even dumber than real world people who if you pay any attention, often act really, REALLY stupid. All for the benefit of the fun of the story and game.

@Akariliselle-cenarion-circle

And no, I wouldn’t say we necessarily need an evil faction. Plenty of great storytelling, and in fact some of the best storytelling, is done in grey areas where there is no obvious right and wrong.

Lots of people want one. That should be all that matters. On top of that, without an obvious right or wrong, there is no gray. The concept of gray loses meaning. When you have these stories we see as morally ambiguous, it’s because there is right and wrong, often simultaneously. Right things being done the wrong ways, the wrong things being done by the right people who can get away with it… you still need someone who makes it clear they take it too far by everyone else’s standards.

Stop bleaching or homogenizing this game into a mess. Let the rest of us who had canonically malicious characters/factions/races to play have fun too.

@Akariliselle-cenarion-circle

This entire statement is incorrect on many levels. Mostly a lot of it is subjective and not fact, but it’s also just a bad take.

No, you just disagree on many levels, and don’t like the take.

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

The Forsaken toed that line hard and one could argue they might have been evil-ish in Vanilla but their continued interactions with the Horde managed to bring them closer into the ‘family’ fold versus being outsiders bent on using the Horde toward their own ends.

Evil has never been playable in WoW.

Notice how your entire argument only really works if you impose your personal judgement?

There is no “ish” the Forsaken were downright evil, and the whole point of this thread is that many people want that back. You want “evil-ish”? You look at the Blood Elves, and they got bleached. To the dismay of many. Thankfully there is in-game lore suggesting many of them are still morally dubious.

The statement that WoW is purely a heroic fantasy where bad guys can never win is a disingenuous one based on cyclical logic, leaning heavily on what you want, and things that have happened that people are specifically calling to change.

People like you ruin warcraft.

[Felendren-baelgun]

RIGHT?!

Based on my experiences with them, everything they advocate for is BORING.

@Jaesears-dalaran

We’re hippies because we’re tired of fighting the same people over and over and over and over again Okay buddy, you’re so edgy, congrats.

Nothing edgy about wanting the team-based game to stay team-based instead of changing because you are tired of it being team-based… I am all for the OPTION to switch to a neutral adventuring mercenary mode.

But you can’t genuinely believe that people who were killing and enslaving eachother just a few decades ago should just kiss and make up because you want them to…

[Vladrik-stormrage]

@Historyex-bleeding-hollow

anti-war peace lovers

I murder people constantly, often at the request of the alliance.

[Mozzez-aegwynn]

@Historyex-bleeding-hollow

Alliance just a bunch of hippies now.

pass the felweed

[Felendren-baelgun]

I already used it all.

[Krissignacia-eldrethalas (Krissignacia)]

We got that twilight cult and there’s the naga. Also we got eldritch abominations running around with thier own agenda.

Also Millhouse and his wife are out there doing evil stuff

[Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast]

Blame WC3. WC3 went to great lengths to redeem the Orcs by not just making them freedom fighters but also allying with the Tauren, arguably the most innocent and kindest race on the face of Azeroth. The Trolls also toned themselves down, even forsaking the cannibalistic traditions of the other tribes. I think this was at Thrall’s request, too. The Forsaken were evil-ish, but they were reigned in by the rest of the Horde and they started to find ways out of the misery and mire of their existences.

If you want straight-up evil, that’s simply not an option anymore. It hasn’t been an option since Vanilla. Garrosh tried to ask the question ‘can the Horde be evil again’ and the answer given was a resounding ‘no.’

[Vailnite-kelthuzad (Vailnite)]

Pretty sure vulpera are the evil race atm. Godless heathens, the lot of them-- and if you play on Moon Guard, I don’t have to tell you why.

[Felendren-baelgun]

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

Blame WC3. WC3 went to great lengths to redeem the Orcs by not just making them freedom fighters but also allying with the Tauren, arguably the most innocent and kindest race on the face of Azeroth.

WC3 showed orcs are not entirely evil. Showed a capacity for heroism. Didn’t make them good. The Tauren served to make the Horde a more neutral force despite their past, and despite the Forsaken once WoW came along.

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

forsaking the cannibalistic traditions of the other tribes.

I actually do think I heard of this but I need to know your source.

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

If you want straight-up evil, that’s simply not an option anymore.

I disagree.

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

Garrosh tried to ask the question ‘can the Horde be evil again’ and the answer given was a resounding ‘no.’

Because no one wants the Horde to be entirely good or evil. At least no one with a brain…

I am not even convinced Garrosh was originally meant for that purpose. There was lore suggesting otherwise besides stonetalon.