This already feels like making a blind change based on assumptions. Most shamans in the community are fully prepared to say that they can keep the nerf of a 10 stack, but if the argument is not about the damage but how it is played then there should be some buff to compensate for the accessibility change.
servers are up
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If only they listened to our feedback! There wouldn’t be any maintenenace!
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They could of opted for stacks not to be refreshed, Or just limit to ten, Instead they did both and said we asked for it, WE DIDNT ASK FOR EITHER.
I roll Shammy on the side and I can tell you that this feedback is golden. I don’t know why the dev team and product managers continue to celebrate breaking classes! But precious hunters are untouchable in most instances. The skills matter and getting better skills that make the classes make sense matters. Hunters for example are set. Why in a fantasy based game, the magic classes are practically abused by developers and the like?
I mean this whole thread is based on the premise that no one complained or asked for this change but the entire official discord guide has a whole section dedicated to the degenerative playstyle this created, including “binding lightning bolt to your mouse wheel” and “binding lightning bolt to multiple buttons so you can hit it fast enough” lol.
[Time to hammer out a build | Storm, Earth & Lava (stormearthandlava.com)](http://stormearthandlava.com/blog/2022/02/14/I-m-sorry.html#how-to-deal-with-button-spamming)
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The playstyle that has Less APM than multiple classes? The playstyle that isn’t Mandatory?
Where are there nerfs?
Everyone wants to be #1 in terms of damage. Well, time to face reality: In WoW all DPS will NEVER be equal. Ever.
To make mention of the OP topic, I agree that pressing LB every 0.6sec is redic and needed to be changed. Coming from a veteran (since 2004,) I used to be like you, thought it was über awesome to spam a single spell and top my (mediocre) guild on charts. So much that I opted for passives, and not extra talent abilities on many classes over the last few years.
Let’s play a week, gather more feedback than just (a seemingly salty player’s,) one track mind. Just because Reddit/Forums do not have people posting about the topic at hand, doesn’t mean they didn’t use other tools to report it to Blizzard.
I mean, you can’t possibly think that Reddit/Forums are where the most tangent information is derived from, right? Think of it from (another’s perspective.) Forums, (everywhere) are riddled with trolls and whiners. Its easier to use submit a ticket, or report a bug, OR Submit feedback. (Which sounds like many people used option 3.)
One final point, could you blame one for simply, submitting feedback? If your emotional plea about this change is as widespread as you say, anyone supporting it or asking for it would have been met with extreme hostility. (Look how you arranged the thread’s topic.)
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Well said, I invested so much time and gold prepping my ele for 9.2, just to have blizzard totally destroy the class for NO reason. The lack of awareness and consideration for player time is astounding.
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Forgot to say, that there are some more classes with “accessibility” problems. Fury with just high haste (who is top apm now), firemage who requires using off-gcd and castable during other casts fireblast. Arcane whole 9.1 was a class who should hit combo during burst, and mistake window could be like 0.2 sec (based on arcane haste, which otherwise was worst stat).
People who have accessibility problems can use other builds (true for shaman, use fire ele), meanwhile any class on the highest skill levels may be not “accessible” for other person. I was playing mage SoD tier, with m Sylvanas killed. I never was good mage by my own or guild standarts, and I dont think it was accessebility problem. If we root deep into such thing, every player going play same thing and do same damage no matter what. And first part already happends at high mythic. Dont kill alternative gameplay just because that.
So because your class has gotten to a specific point, And we know that it has LESS APM (And thus less accessibility issues) than other classes we are going to nerf it upwards of 18-40% depending on your environment, Role, Rotation and other conditions and say people asked for it because it was an accessibility issue.
We already gave the feed back, This isn’t one player being salty, THIS IS THE ENTIRE ELEMENTAL COMMUNITY IN AN UPROAR the thread i linked? 400 responses (None of them from blizzard) all condenming this change.
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Your class discord guide writer is literally the person you need to take this up with. Read his complaints in the class guide.
That’s where utility is more viable. The assumption is that DPS wants to be master of it all but actually I want to build a character that has skills that are interesting, Lighting Bolt spam is very unimaginative. Guild Wars 2 has very interesting class specs and skills to go along with it. I think this comes down to developers who are lazy and don’t want to create meaningful classes and specializations that feel similar to classic where you had engaging talent trees and skill ideas. For how much money we spend on this game, you don’t really get much out of it considering the rest of the chores involved in WoW. This is funny because GW2 is free lol I am happy paying for mogs there and silly how WoW isn’t self-improving.
nice responce, blizzard
Do you have a spare tub of Vaseline i can borrow, I know i should be used to it after 15 years of being a shaman but i don’t have any left overs because this was completely out of the left field with no justification and we have a supply chain issue thanks to a natural disaster taking out the rail network.
This is where I have to say: You are a fool. You are not the collective voice for Everyone. Nor are you capable of seeing much reason or sense I am afraid.
Good day! (I hope if Blizz reverts the change, they don’t for just you.) A personal screw you to top the 15 years of targeting you specifically with unpleasant changes. 
But they said this? They maybe read the in-game suggestion thing after all.
So the quote that is in the start of the thread, Points to the blizzard post for this particular nerf and it’s the first post in a thread of 400 responses, All of it universally condemns this change and the complete BS it was founded by and the BS that is used for justification, The collective has spoken and you can see many people here agreeing with me and they don’t even play a shaman.
As it has been pointed out numerous times, If it was about acessibility they would trade the damage off elsewhere, If it was about acessability they would address the MULTIPLE classes with higher APM to ours, No they just blanket nerfed and lied about the reason.
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I miss my pre WOTLK Insect Swarm. 2% avoidance I brought for tanks was highly beneficial. They could in turn change attributes elsewhere to compensate for higher avoidance. Miss using Sap as often as a rogue used to. Mage poly? xD
It’s about playing for fun, but somehow we’ve derailed the point of a game now it feels a little too bland I suppose. I hope there’s a resolution for the OP.