You’re funny, you still don’t get it, I can’t even get to 10K unless the tank pulls like half the dungeon at once. You have no idea what zero damage is.
still better than outlaw rogue, but then again anything is better than outlaw rogue.
~https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/25#bracket=15
Actually last, dead last, and not just last, but our lowest logged data is so far behind only destro and prot warrior are about as equal to us.
Looking at the DPS numbers feral is marginally worse than outlaw. There are some dungeons that feral is slightly better and some that outlaw is slightly better at the +15 level, but overall outlaw has more higher DPS than feral.
The difference is outlaw is more RNG than feral, if they proc good dice rolls than they can do more damage, if they proc bad dice rolls they can do worse damage, feral however has an underlying issue that they have resource issues that cannot be fixed by more gear or RNG.
Either way both are almost always currently under 10K, than you have this mage who thinks because they are doing less than the tank that they are bad. I seen a 4 piece guardian druid pulling 15K overall in M+, currently we can only wait until everyone gets 2/4 piece and 2 leggos, than we can really compare.
Last season however outlaw was much better than feral as was literally everyone. We rejoiced once they announced our 4 piece and it was being tested, but than the nerfs, they hit real hard and put us right at the back only to buff it again before we even got the gear. But time will tell if it was enough, because the easiest fix is to just help us with energy regen. Right now having to owl weave just to pull as little as we are is just not fun.
So your answer is “it’s fine someone else got dumpstered for no reason and there is an entire false narrative surrounding it because feral is bad”
Feral is and has been the worst spec in the game for about 6 expansions, yes, I think it’s safe to say you don’t know what you are talking about. You play a mage, you have frost for dungeons and fire for ST, you have had your ups and downs and at times have had great DPS.
Too bad that you got dumped on by a tank and now you feel bad for ‘losing’ the DPS, probably by a tank who has their 4 piece while you have no pieces. How do you think other lower spec DPS feel? Some specs do less than 10K, in some cases 8K overall if you are lucky, imagine how they feel when a tank comes in and doubles their DPS.
Yes, it’s fine you dumped on because there are far worse situations than your own and have been for many expansions.
Yes I do play a mage but it you haven’t realized after all these posts that’s my shaman as the OP, so given that this is a thread about shamans talking about shamans and the majority of the people here play elemental that just got absolutely dumpstered it doesn’t matter that my alt is a mage
Than you really can’t complain. Shaman was top DPS in AOE, by dare I say it, DOUBLE what feral can do. You REALLY don’t know what bad DPS is do you? So you got brought back in line with the rest of the pack, boohoo, I’ve never even been in line with the pack to begin with.
Except we weren’t top, fire and frost were, we were competitive and the reason why we were considered S Tier is because we also brought great utility in addition to having solid DPS.
You are arguing that we should be ok with being nerfed to below tanks because we had a good spot before? That’s dumb and we all know that’s dumb.
We get it we know feral is bad your argument should be to buff feral not to nerf someone that wasn’t on top and then argue they should be ok with being thrown in the trash
No, you were OP before, and yes once we all start getting our 4 piece sets w will again be better than tanks, so yes I can tell you that’s it’s perfectly fine. Blizzard doesn’t balance DPS around “OMG this tank with their 4 piece is doing better than my lower iLVL, non tier set DPS”, they balance around the top end when we all have the same type of gear and iLVL, and even than it’s terrible balancing.
But once we all get to that point a decent DPS should never lose to a tank.
Being thrown in the trash would mean at 265 iLVL without tier pieces in AOE you would be doing like 9K DPS as a 95% parse, I highly doubt they nerfed 50% of your damage. 2 weeks ago when I killed Anduin for the first time, a fight with plenty of AOE, I parsed 97% and was the 36th best feral druid in the world… with 14.7K DPS. An elemental shaman who parsed 95% was doing almost 28K DPS, you tell me what’s wrong with that.
No wait, you probably don’t seem to think there is an issue with that.
So I just went through some heroic logs, take out the top 20 or so from each class and roughly shamans are 1-4K DPS lower than the top DPS on the logs aside form Anduin, druids are 1-5K DPS lower than that again.
But you wanna know the kicker? There are some top parsing feral druids who have their 4 piece set and are losing the DPS to players at the same iLVL who have no tier pieces. Yeh, THAT’S how far behind feral is currently. Even with an almost full set of borrowed power we are still behind just some random spec at the same iLVL, including shamans.
You honestly have nothing at all to complain about, if I wanted to start doing good DPS I need to swap not just from melee to ranged, but a new weapon, new trinkets, new enchants, different stats, I may as well just roll an entire new class or alt at that point.
Really? Look we are really dominating the DPS charts, further nerfs are need so Destruction Warlocks don’t feel bad.
Still waiting for a response Blizzard. This change still doesn’t make sense. Again, changing the talent because its an accessibility concern is VALID. However, how can’t you see that making that change is also nerfing it. In your explanation you never said your intention was to nerf us, it was to fix the accessibility issue. Please explain why it didn’t at least get some sort of compensation buff. Did you think it was going to be too strong with the 4 piece? If so you could have just said that. Really terrible communication.
BM hunter wants to have a word with you.
At least you got into a raid group. Ours don’t take Hunters
Revert the elemental nerfs.
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Bump for continued sadness of nerfs without a good justification. PLEASE let me not have committed to a dog class for 9.2. I don’t want to switch to another class - I like playing one class consistently. But my raid leader is going to have to make hard choices if we’re trying to attempt Mythic raids. Why bring Ele Shamans? It seems like a straightforward fix to have Wind Gust also give a % damage buff to LB and Chain Lightning to offset the stack nerf. What’s the holdup?
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if your team is not taking hunter they are missing out with how strong they are.
Side note again please revert this or add something to the wind gust buff please.
I would not take a lvl 40 hunter to sepulcher but maybe that’s just me
Seems like a better choice than ele sham right now
Still waiting for some response Blizzard.
I’m honestly thinking blizz only cared about shamans because metzen straight up loved the shaman aesthetic. Now that’s he is gone have shamans really gotten any love
hello, is somebody there?