Thank you to everyone who jumped on board when I wrote my long winded forum post on the case for a slight buff to ret paladins. And of course a HUGE shout out to Aggrend, who actually followed up on the ideas our community came up with, and who I’m sure was an advocate for looking into the state of ret.
I’ll be honest when the first blue response came out, I didn’t have much hope at all that we’d climb out of this hole where our dps is so low that we have become discriminated against by a large number of players. Moreso than any other class despite all the comments about how strong our “utility” is. Even as one of the top rets in phase one and outgearing most of my competition getting groups this phase has been a struggle.
This change is just right, giving us a small dps boost that doesn’t really affect the viability of any other class. Thanks again for taking a real, in-depth look at ret paladin performance vs utility, and listening to us here on the forums, as well as our class discords.
To those of you who are angry about this change, well you can just blame me. but at the end of the day maybe think about the fact that various discussions were had, and whatever point you think you have to make was discussed with the logical conclusion being that ret does deserve this small boost. The fact that we were initially told there would be no changes proves this. We didn’t get this buff by crying we got it by making a solid argument, and we’ve been vindicated now because the people who run the game agree with the points we made, based on the data they have, which is all of it.
Any rets out there who have questions about the changes, feel free to come in to the “Light Club” paladin discord and say hi.
TBH most of us really don’t care much about ret paladins. We’re not upset at ret paladins.
We’re upset at the devs for doing what they claimed they wouldn’t do, while also stating what they’re doing isn’t what it looks like. It is. They’re rebalancing. And only 1 rebalance? No bug fixes?
I know many of y’all are narcissists and won’t understand how this isn’t about you…But no, it isn’t about you.
Who cares? Like seriously it’s such a small DPS buff and you still won’t get picked in ICC, you’re still not getting SMourne and you’re still bottom DPS.
My problem is that this sort of thing should take prio. In reality Bug fixes should be done, looking into more about what to do with bots (although I know there is more to this than devs but it’s a big issue again) and a focus more on if there have to be more changes (and I don’t really think there should be) ones that would actually improve the quality of the game and make it more fun, of which this does not fit.
This makes me think of having a neglected building. Instead of working to fix the structure you paint a bench outside and make it look pretty and all the focus is put on that. Some people walked past it and hated how it looked and complained and so they are thrilled but that doesn’t fix what actually should be focused on, which is the building that needs to be repaired. Maybe fixing that building is not as fun or flashy but it actually matters, unlike the painted bench.
Now I’d say oh the devs can do both things but the only communication has been about things like this. I don’t think the devs are actually putting any focus on the “structure” of the game.
So congrats OP I guess on having the devs make their “pet project” focus on your very trivial issue that does nothing to actually improve the game. If it wasn’t this it would have been something equally as irrelevant to the quality and fun level of the game I’m sure.
Here’s the exact line from the blue post as well, " Not a Goal – Embark on an effort to provide ongoing balance to all classes phase over phase. We think its very important to WoW Classic that classes behave largely as you’d expect them to throughout the current expansion without constantly worrying about major design changes altering the feel of the class."
If that’s not the goal, and like you said, you could easily argue that DK and warrior changes were a rebalance as well… Then why does it look like that’s what is happening?
well this is a completely different conversation. I think we all know that what gets done around here is generally the quick and easy solution. Which we not only had to come up with, but also prove that it was warranted.
I think we both know that bug fixes are generally more complex and costly to deal with and we’ve seen them break the game accidentally time and time again. this change to ret probably took about 1% of the work that some of the relevant bug fixes would or it simply would not have been done imo.
You mean just like several other specialization still are? This is classic this was nothing new. You dumb soft ret paladins have just screwed up the “dont balance classes” in classic philosophy. All because you have an ego over a dps meter and cried for months. You were never “unviable” you were just dramatic.
well that’s fine opinion you have there but the people who code this game looked into it and found otherwise. Like I said earlier, if all it took was crying we would have been buffed two years ago in vanilla.
You can go read my original post with the blue reply and I don’t think you’ll find me being “dramatic”
Eh, it was a very elegant solution. 0 tanking impact, 0 PvP impact. Off the GCD.
It scales well, so we’ll see what happens in ICC. You obiously don’t want to run into a situation where rets have as much damage as fury warriors in ICC, otherwise they’d just get stacked for infinite dsacs and trivialize all encounters, but I don’t think we’re there yet.
nah there is no way we will compete with fury outside of getting EXTREMELY lucky with DS proc on cleave, and maybe a few early in the phase who manage to get smourne and bis gear right away but that will fade out.
Apparently I’m the forum version of Arthas, scourge of the Classic vision. I’ll be fired from my job, get cancer, lose my cat, and have my social security cancelled
No one knows who either of you are, blames or gives you credit for the changes or gives the slightest F about you. The OP posted a wall of text to pat himself on the back for some completely imagined accomplishment…and then you had to chime in claiming the W and dubbing yourself the villian of the forums.
