Because that defeats the entire purpose of this change - which is that the Water Strider is, and always has been, an overpowered mount for its requirements.
You should not have the choice of having water striding AND anti-daze/parachute because you did a reputation grind. No other reputation grind mount offers a special ability, the strider should be no different.
The fact is, like any other reputation mount, having the mount available to you is the reward for grinding the rep - not having free water walking. This is coming from someone that did the Anglers grind in Mists before they even add the commendations to make rev->exalted faster.
If you want be have water walking and anti-daze, then use your free water shoes mount equipment and buy some bridles from a leatherworker. You want to be able to survive if you get dismounted in air while still having water walking, buy some Goblin Gliders.
The Anglers reputation grind is not hard. The mount does not deserve special treatment.
Personally, I think they should add an additional item for herbing while mounted and remove the Sky Golemâs special too. Although that one at least has a valid argument since it is only crafted by a single profession and takes 30 days to make using items from multiple professions.
The only valid argument I have seen about the water strider thus far is that you only get 1 free water shoes item. If you did the rep grind for anglers, the item should be bind on account and free or 1 copper from the anglers so that you arenât actually losing anything.
Letâs see⌠I have TWENTY alts. Only my MAIN gets free shoes. Already a gold sink. Fail one.
Not asking for it to gain a slot. I am asking for it to KEEP WATERWALKING and LOOSE the slot. Just like the golem. Golem gets to keep itâs passive, then so should the strider. Fail two.
My point is if the goal is to make player CHOICE then stripping it when Allies are FOCED into waterwalking to do SoB means that waterwalking is what you need to take if youâre going to do dungons. Iâve already seen people kicked for not having waterwalking or strider or some way to jump out of the water in SoB shortcut because allies get a lousy pack of trash while the horde gets to skip by it.
Beta after beta we have heard how issues are not a big deal because it is just betaâŚthen it hits the live servers.
When they flesh something out to this extent, you can bet it will go through UNLESS enough people really do take it seriously and let them know that this is not an acceptable option for most strider owners.
Even that may not be enough to cause them to take another look at how they are treated many of their players, butâŚ
We would not be flying right now if players had not raised the roof.
Blizzard got so hammered by players and the gaming media that they struggled to find a way to reverse their decision in WOD without looking like they were actually giving up somethingâŚthus they demanded a price for flying that they called Pathfinder.
I laugh every time someone calls what they did a compromise as though they sought out the opinions of players rather than demanded that their Pathfinder achievement be completed in order to fly.
They did not have a lot of choice due to the serious repercussions, yet they modeled it to look like they were doing the players a favor (a âcompromiseâ).
Sorry, I digress.
Anyway, I expect this new removal of content will definitely make it through beta and into live. It is now ok to take from some players in order to make other players happy.
Like how they attached dungeons and raids to Pathfinder in Legion so that players who do not, or are not able to engage in dungeons and raids could no longer fly in that content at allâŚeverâŚor tame rare hunter pets, or engage in a number of other things that required class hall completion which required dungeons and raids.
They took abilities to obtain normal (until Legion) and inclusive things away from many players and gave them to players who prefer to engage in group instance content.
I have no issue with dungeoneers and raiders getting the best gear, etc, but it is kind of a lop-sided deal when they actually take things from some players and make them exclusive to players of a different play style.
So, donât think for one minute that they will not do this.
I have come to the conclusion that it simply is not worth working too much for anything in this game that Blizzard can (and may) nerf later on if they feel like it. It just isnât worth the aggro any more to put in the effort knowing that Blizzard can not be counted on to honor what you have earned.
This is just another case of Blizzard taking something that wasnât really a problem to begin with, trying to fix it, and in the process creating an actual problem.
Like⌠Is it really that big a deal to just let people have the water strider? Mount equipment could have been a great feature if it wasnât coming at the cost of something else. But rather than just giving us a cool new thing youâve decided you have to destroy something else to make room for it, and as a result youâve turned what should have been a cool new addition into a source of dread.
Just something Iâd like to get your perspective on, if the character who earned the Anglers reputation along with the mount gets the water walking item for free, what would a fair price be for the alts to get it? If that character who earned the reputation and mount has the option to water walk (but might choose something else), do you feel that alts should have every single thing that the other characters have?
Also, just out of curiosity, how often would you estimate that you have you used the water strider mount in the 6+ years itâs been available?
If it was only going to be that easy. Why would they leave the Leather Bardings and the goblin Gliders In the game? I would just have to put the Walter Walking on every mount and i would have all 3 at the same time. It would make the mount equipment irrelevant the minute it goes live.
No they are going to remove all that stuff so we only have one choice, and that is the problem. Blizzard wants us to have less choice not more.
On re-reading the second quote, it sounds to me like this is less about giving folks a wider variety of water walking mounts and more about making sure that multiple special abilities canât be used at the same time. After all, if it were simply about offering more choices, there are ways to do that without removing functionality from the water strider.
This is sounding more and more like another method of making navigating the world more laborious and less efficient and outside of MAU conspiracy theories, I donât understand why. What, specifically, is the problem if a person decides to use water walking on one mount and anti stun on another?
A fair price would be being able to use it instantly with no money or effort involved, because that is literally how the item currently works and anything less is a downgrade.
Yes. Alts are still MY CHARACTERS things I have put WORK into. That its spread out a bit in no way takes away from the overall effort. You wonât be winning anyone over with mediocre arguments about over-reliance and account-bound benefits
Because itâs not about player choice. Itâs not about the striderâs so-called âdominanceâ. Itâs about having another means of controlling player travel.
They throw up a smokescreen of âwe want players to have choices!â, but they donât back that up by providing a variety of water walking mounts. No, the only way they can give us choices is apparently to destroy a mountâs permanent ability so they can give us consumables which can be removed at their whim.
Its an account bound mount, every character can use it without issue. If you are giving a concession so it can continue to be used then the same logic should apply and every alt gets it for free.
But thats still pointless because, as its still attached to this silly new system, when you try to put anti-daze on another mount, it will break the Strider, bringing us back to a mount that cant do what it has been doing for years.
I really dont understand why you guys seem to be adamant about not excluding it like the golem. Once flying comes in most of the equipment is moot anyway and then we will have you guys come in and remove the parachute because without it we are making the âwrong choiceâ
that is some garbage, if you are herbing you use the herbing mount. if you run up on a lake or a river⌠hop off and grab your water strider. why would you think nerfing the water strider is a good idea. removing stuff that people took months to farm the rep for is terrible idea. working towards a goal to have it removed just gives less incentive to work towards anything else in the futre