Water Strider Discussion

[Raiyyn-whisperwind (Raiyyn)]

I don’t know why you are comparing classes and specs to mounts. You can’t compare the two because there are only 12 classes and with each you get unique abilities.

Read the post above this one.

What difference does it make how many classes there are? All of them don’t have unique abilities. Only a few have them.

There are hundreds of mounts. Very few of them have special abilities. And? Expand the abilities…who cares! But leave the ones with innate abilities alone. They have already shown they can do this and have them unaffected by the mount equipment.

Golems
Multi-passenger
Under Water
and more…

Keep their innate abilities and are not effected by the equipment. Striders should be the same.

[Pattyz-area-52]

What difference does it make how many classes there are? All of them don’t have unique abilities. Only a few have them.

Only a few classes have unique abilities? You’re joking right?

That’s laughable but okay- lets agree to disagree. Take care!

[Orylie-kul-tiras (Orylie)]

As has been said multiple time in this thread and others, there is one and only one reason they are doing it: They want to nerf the ability to traverse content they themselves created. They believe it will result in increased time played. The fact that they are duplicitous about it and not forthright about their reasons speaks volumes. There is no reason at all to make this change. None. They could have added mount equipment without touching this mount. So transparent. Just be honest that’s my view.

I’m with others here. I hope the mount equipment sells for a freaking fortune on the AH. The tears will be delicious…

[Mysteren-staghelm (Mysteren)]

I don’t get how people can’t understand this. One day, someone at Blizz said, “Let’s create a mount that walks on water. We will make it a rep reward for getting Exalted with Nat Pagle. To get Exalted, you just have to do the dailies every day.” Fast forward to people doing said dailies and earning the mount. Now people are using the water strider to walk on water and all of a sudden people are calling it “OP”. So using a mount that was created to do something specific, that you earned through jumping through the hoops that were required, is now being seen as “OP” and needs to be nerfed? How many people would have put in the time and effort if they knew down the line the ability of the mount they worked for was being taken away? And how can you not see that if they can do this to water walking, flying won’t be far behind. Pathfinder is the equivalent of the dailies required to gain rep for the water strider. Suddenly, you finish Pathfinder but you can’t use any of your flying mounts unless you put a piece of flying equipment on them. You’re good with that?

This. So much this.

[Mysteren-staghelm (Mysteren)]

And furthermore, even if I do stay subbed to this game, I will NEVER work for any rep rewards again, because Blizzard has shown how cavalier they can be with taking those rewards away down the road. Disgraceful.

There is a surfboard you can get with Dubloons that I was all excited about, Then I thought… oh, they will probably make it only usable in BFA content or find some other way to negate it’s fun… So now I don’t know if I want to grind all those dubloons for it.

[Aryademon-stormreaver]

So they thought to themselves…in order to fix our finances we need to tick off our player base even more!

This is the part that boggles me.

Do they think we’re so addicted that we won’t leave the game when they punish us and take things away, only to have us repurchase what we already had?

I’d rather be addicted to any other mmo rpg. I hear gw2 actually has mounts in a system that affords players with utility and choice, without trying to exploit them for gold.

[Kiwì-dentarg (Kiwì)]

DK to WALK across masses of water and call it OP if there are water walking mounts blowing passed them?

Why can’t the DK ride their mount across the water? Why can’t the shaman? I do it all the time. The only way a water-walking mount would blow past them would be if the DK or Shaman had slow riding. So your point here is flawed.

Also, not one person who supports the water-strider has said “don’t implement mount equipment”.

In fact, they have said that it would be ok with them if Blizzard exempted the strider from mount equipment just as Blizzard has exempted the golem.

P ability while simultaneously using a different piece of mount equipment on your other mounts, thus having direct access to both water walking and another ability- Continuing to put newcomers/returning players who haven’t rep grinded for the Strider at a disadvantage.

Again your argument is flawed. Currently I can add barding, Hoofplates, and stirrups to my character which gives me access to all the mount-equipment. If I did not have strider I could also use water-walking potions.

Tanks automatically have the anti-daze so they have an advantage (DK tanks have an even bigger advantage as do anyone in their group since they can put PoF on everyone and then they just have to follow along)

As for new/returning players getting the strider. These days it is simple to do (as so many have mentioned).

Participating in timwalking dungeons and buying rep badges along with doing the dailies will get you the mount very quickly. Where in the past when we had to do the grind, it took a long time.

Finally, if we are going to go with the “it isn’t fair to new players/returning players” argument, then they need to remove all of the “special” items people have collected, that have been removed from the game and all the gear that people get out of advanced raiding and M+ because that also gives people an advantage over others.

Sounds silly doesn’t it? There is no real “unfair advantage” in open world questing as everything respawns very quickly and can be tagged by multiple people. Everyone also has the same opportunity to get that piece of gear they want from the open world.

They even made it easy to get the striders without having to do the grind. The amount of rep the quests give out is a lot higher than it was back in MOP and people can use timeless badges.

But thank you for sharing where the real argument is coming from. You resent the fact that people have something you would not spend the time to grind.

[Truthspeaker-alleria (Truthspeaker)]

So you are admitting that you are using a mount that is ‘ugly, awkward and cumbersome’ solely because of its ability but here you are opposing Blizzards idea of expanding abilities across other mounts… makes sense.

Yep. In this case, I prefer function over form. I feel the same about the water strider. I think it’s ugly as all get out and I’ve been dying for Blizzard to introduce more water walking mounts with different appearances since the first water strider was introduced, but I like the current functionality. I like that it gives me the option to have water walking on any alt immediately as soon as that character hits level 20. I like the way water walking currently functions with it. I like that I can fall, take damage and continue to water walk.

If I cared more about the appearance of the mount than the function, I’d use water walking potions on a mount that I like the look of better, but since I only use the water strider for walking across water and then switch back to a mount I like better as soon as I’m back on land, the look of the mount doesn’t matter to me.

I don’t oppose Blizzard expanding abilities to other mounts; I oppose the way in which they’re choosing to do it.

[Truthspeaker-alleria (Truthspeaker)]

If the mount is too OP to keep as is, the abilities of some classes are also too OP to keep as is which will ultimately result in fewer “flavor abilities” on classes and more pruning for the sake of pruning.

If we don’t state our objections to these kinds of changes, where do they stop? When has it gone too far? When will we lose every special ability in the game regardless of what, or who, it’s taken from?

Exactly. And let’s not forget that a blue has stated that if the Sky Golem at some point ends up being a dominant mount, they’ll reevaluate and decide if that needs to be changed as well. Folks who like to use the Sky Golem for it’s herbing and anti-daze mechanics, best not use it TOO much or it’ll get the water strider treatment, too.

I will check but my personal opinion from my play experience is that the water strider ability is just much stronger than the sky golem herbing. We nerfed the water strider once and if we leave it with the ability there then it’s more in the line of getting everything and less of making a choice for what you want. We want there to be a choice based on your play and interests. If herbing on the run provides too strong of a benefit then there might need to be changes there but currently I don’t think that’s the case.

(bolding mine)

[Aryademon-stormreaver]

When you equip the item. All your mounts, only on that character, get the ability.

You need an additional piece of equipment per character for any given ability.

[Mossclaw-wyrmrest-accord (Mossclaw)]

So they thought to themselves…in order to fix our finances we need to tick off our player base even more!

Actually - with the number of people happy to give them 5$ extra per account just because it’s not coming from their pocket directly - it’s a viable strategy. Note that I am not saying that it actually is a strategy on the part of Blizzard; I just find it ironic the synergy between player discontent and token purchases.

I hope they leave the Strider alone, and I’m not looking forward to seeing Yaks on the ocean w/out a Shaman or DK in attendance.

[Parìyah-emerald-dream]

I hope they leave the Strider alone, and I’m not looking forward to seeing Yaks on the ocean w/out a Shaman or DK in attendance.

I could be wrong but I thought some people were saying that larger mounts won’t stay up on the water with the water walking equipment

[Mossclaw-wyrmrest-accord (Mossclaw)]

No. Just that if you take dmg and sink, it’s hard to get back on top of the water.

[Margirita-perenolde (Margirita)]

They have had a warrant on the head of that poor bug for a while now. I’m thinking this move is more about childish spite that the finance department won’t let them have their way.
Blizzard: You won’t let us remove it so we are just gonna “change it” so we can remove it later…hehe we shall have our way, neaner neaner neaner!

BTW On a side note: My rogue could sprint across water, now she cant. My ghost wolf on my shammy would automatically get water walking when put on that form, now she doesn’t. My lock could water walk with her fel steed, now she can’t. Why is that… OHHH yeah they “trashed” the Glyph system and left in ONLY the stuff they wanted. And the fun thing is I never actually saw anyone complain about that system. (BTW did we ever get the gold back for the expensive glyphs we had in place when that system got trashed?)

What reason do we have to have ANY sort of faith that this won’t happen to this new system?

[Nearo-emerald-dream (Nearo)]

Because you ARE a griefer your opinion and your objections here carries little if any water. We know you for what you are and therefore anything further you have to say on the subject will simply be ignored by those who do not share your passion for wurld pee vee pee.

Judging from the 5k responses, many of which are from just a small handful of dedicated spammers flailing their arms around for attention… I’d say there’s a whole lot of people here who’s opinions don’t matter. Keep the horse blinders on as to the extent of your own importance though.

At the end of the day retconning the ability of an item in game that required the expenditure of time (time is money, friend) to obtain because…reasons, is simply unethical on the part of the developers and speaks loudly to us that those developers (who’s very job it is to be imaginative) do not have or cannot make use of the intelligence and imagination and effort necessary to build a great game.

If you buy a workshop full of great and wonderful tools, saws, wrenches milling machines, acid etching pits, metal bending jigs, autohammers, presses, welders, anvils, grinders, and forges and you buy them from a master metalsmith and the only thing you know how to use in that shop is the cutoff saw and you are unwilling to learn the other tools, then you probably are not going to produce a work of metalsmithing beauty and renown.

There’s more to this game than that ugly bug. I will say I commend you and the rest of the folks fighting for keeping that bug extra-super-duper special. It’s clearly important to you all, but the collective communication capability of the pro-strider crowd here is abysmal because so much of it comes off as childish petulance.

[Dhanara-moon-guard (Dhanara)]

I will say I commend you and the rest of the folks fighting for keeping that bug extra-super-duper special.

Thanks for the acknowledgement, seriously. I have to clarify, though – for me it’s less about keeping it “extra-super-duper special,” and more about this (the bolding is mine):

I don’t get how people can’t understand this. One day, someone at Blizz said, “Let’s create a mount that walks on water. We will make it a rep reward for getting Exalted with Nat Pagle. To get Exalted, you just have to do the dailies every day.” Fast forward to people doing said dailies and earning the mount. Now people are using the water strider to walk on water and all of a sudden people are calling it “OP”. So using a mount that was created to do something specific, that you earned through jumping through the hoops that were required, is now being seen as “OP” and needs to be nerfed? How many people would have put in the time and effort if they knew down the line the ability of the mount they worked for was being taken away? And how can you not see that if they can do this to water walking, flying won’t be far behind. Pathfinder is the equivalent of the dailies required to gain rep for the water strider. Suddenly, you finish Pathfinder but you can’t use any of your flying mounts unless you put a piece of flying equipment on them. You’re good with that?

[Raiyyn-whisperwind (Raiyyn)]

Only a few classes have unique abilities? You’re joking right?

That’s laughable but okay- lets agree to disagree. Take care!

DKs can walk on water.
DH’s can glide.
Druids can herb while in travel form.
Shaman can herb in GW form and walk on water.
Mages have slow fall.
Priests have levitate.

If Paladins, Hunters, Goblins, Gnomes, etc. have abilities like those I’m not aware of them. And I’m not talking about “racials” because those can give “flavor” to any class. I mean the class themselves.

I admit I may just be unaware of ones for those classes (although I do play some of them and don’t recall any unique flavor abilities).

Please… Educate me.

[Mossclaw-wyrmrest-accord (Mossclaw)]

I would also like to add - I got the mount because I enjoy fishing. I always max out fishing, I don’t need a mount to encourage me.

So imagine how cool I thought it was when I did what I always do which is to level professions while questing/leveling, and actually get a mount!

Now it will just be another bad taste in the mouth, when they add in a breakable form of flotation, every time I am on water.

The burden of these moments causes me not to recommend your game. The burden of these moments causes me not to talk about your game in a positive light when in front of others who do not play this game yet. I don’t understand your drive that causes you to create so many of these moments for your playerbase to carry.

[Raiyyn-whisperwind (Raiyyn)]

There’s more to this game than that ugly bug.

No doubt.

I will say I commend you and the rest of the folks fighting for keeping that bug extra-super-duper special.

It’s not about keeping it “extra super duper special”. They can add all the mount equipment they want.

It’s about keeping the innate ability of each “unique” mount as is. They are doing this with every other unique mount (golems, under water, passenger, etc.), just no the Striders.

They can make the WW equipment. I doubt many care about that in and of its self. What we are trying to say is don’t change the ones that already have special abilities.

It’s clearly important to you all, but the collective communication capability of the pro-strider crowd here is abysmal because so much of it comes off as childish petulance.

How so? Because you don’t understand what we’re trying to say (as noted by your previous sentence)?

And why is it “childish petulance” to want something to remain how it’s always been, without actually asking for equipment not to exist but it’s not “childish petulance” to scream about people keeping something “extra super duper special” because you’re not actually paying attention to what’s being said?

[Nearo-emerald-dream (Nearo)]

How so? Because you don’t understand what we’re trying to say (as noted by your previous sentence)?

Within this thread I’ve been characterized as delusional, called a griefer, been mass reported as a troll and have had personal attacks thrown my way simply because I like the new mount equipment system.

The message you all are trying to convey is being lost because of the hyper-aggressive tone-deaf manner in which it’s being presented.

I don’t say that to give you a hard time, I’m saying it because you all clearly care about this topic, but your message isn’t going to get through when there’s this much vitriol in the conversation.

Take the recent example of the Cross RP add-on being broken by a change in the API. This is an important add-on for a lot of RPers because it allows cross-faction communication, but Blizzard broke it. The community came to the forums en-masse to ask that it be fixed, but we did so by sharing fun stories of how the add-on had enhanced our experience. And guess what? Blizzard listened and they implemented the Elixir of Tongues to alllow us to opt-in to cross-faction communication without the use of an add-on. We specifically asked people to stay positive and not to descend into the kind of name-calling and anger that makes up the bulk of this thread.

Food for thought.