Water Strider Discussion

[Moonstriken-lightbringer]

Use the Elixer of Water Walking if you don’t want to obtain the mount. Goblin Gliders, or any one of several easy to obtain toys, will allow you to slow fall (if you don’t have it as an ability on your character already)…oh! and there is now a potion for that also. Pay attention to where you’re going if you don’t want to be dismounted by mobs that can daze you.

This new system is unnecessary and serves only to break things that work fine as is.

This.
Or hey, here’s a novel idea… actually put some of that creativity they’re applying towards breaking yet another thing, and put it into …ugh…“creating” other mounts that walk on water, or slow fall, or reduce daze effects.
Then allow the players to earn them.

Here’s my first suggestion.
A boat that floats.

[Illoramoan-grizzly-hills]

On the PTR, yes. Live will not give every alt over 100 a free equipment, only characters exalted with Anglers will receive one. Better hurry if you want to ensure every character is exalted and over 100 before the hammer drops.

[Jops-zuljin]

On the PTR, yes. Live will not give every alt over 100 a free equipment, only characters exalted with Anglers will receive one. Better hurry if you want to ensure every character is exalted and over 100 before the hammer drops.

Not worth the bother for several reasons:

one-free isn’t worth lifting a finger for.
The rep vendor is SUPPOSED to sell BoA equipment for cheap, so even if only your level 100+ alts get the one free, at least you can send the rest one from whichever alt has angler rep.

Assuming you have the RIGHT water strider, not the wrong strider.

[Merridae-aerie-peak (Merridae)]

I approve of the mount equipment slots. Water Striders are hideous and having them be the only mount capable of water walking is bad for character customization.

How so?

How in the world do you get this idea?
There’s potions for water walking that have been around for years.
Who’s fault is it, that there hasn’t been more water walking mounts designed in the first place?

We’d like Blizzard to just leave the water strider the hell alone. Like they intend to do with the golem. What difference does it make to YOU, if they do that, and give you this ridiculous gem or equipment system, so you can walk on water with any flipping mount that you have in your possession?
How’s that gonna affect you? By still having to see the “hideous strider”???

The heck with people who don’t like it’s looks. It’s been around for years. Get over it.
There’s a lot of mounts I don’t like. That doesn’t mean I wish bliz would break any of their abilities so I’d have to see them any less.

Because I refuse to ride a water strider based on how ugly it is - everyone I know who has one thinks it’s hideous and are happy to finally be rid of it. Having to use limited duration consumables to retain that ability is not as convenient as having a passive ability on your mount, so let’s not pretend they’re the same.

Getting a water stirder isn’t hard, let’s stop pretending that it is. Having one doesn’t make you special. You’ll still have your precious water strider, it just won’t be any more or less special than any other mount out there. That’s the whole point. People will now pick the mount they prefer for aesthetic reasons rather than which one is mechanically superior - this brings some flavor back into the world and we’ll see a greater diversity of mounts out there because of it, both of which are a good thing.

Says the wpvper. You don’t actually have any content progression (LFR BoD 8/9 Normal BoD 6/9 0/9 LFR-Mythic CoS is close enough to no progression as makes no difference) on the toon you are on so I have to assume its your only toon and its sole purpose in life is to go to traditional horde leveling areas to grief others. And each and every one of your “arguments” would only be argued by someone who tries to gain an advantage by the blue nerf bat. Your arguments are old stale invalid without merit or logic and your ulterior motive sticks out like a sore thumb.

Thanks for playing though.

[Moldywort-whisperwind]

AND the Sky Golem should lose its ability, and have it turned into equipment.

[Memnar-proudmoore (Memnar)]

And now suddenly i completely understand why that guy is totes on board with it.

[Truthspeaker-alleria (Truthspeaker)]

I actually stand behind this banner. I would greatly prefer this because it allows for more freedom. I’ll vote Yes to this any day.

And the fact that Blizzard isn’t implementing the mount equipment system this way, making it mount specific and account wide instead of character specific across all mounts for that character, should tell you a lot about why Blizzard is implementing it the way they are. It’s not about giving players more choice; it’s about removing choice and making travel more cumbersome.

There are so many ways that Blizzard could decrease player dependence on the water strider while at the same time increasing player choice and agency, if that were really what they wanted to do.

Warlock’s [Demon Skin] talent was pretty awesome dismount/daze protection.

But on PTR in Najzatar, it’s like it’s not even there anymore.

I’m not surprised, but man, I hate to hear that.

[Verminard-greymane (Verminard)]

Ain’t NOBODY gonna bother equipping water walking because everyone will NEED no-daze in the new zones until they have flying. After, they’ll NEED no-daze and gliders or safe-fall because there’s stuff flying around THAT WILL DISMOUNT YOU and make you fall, probably to your death.

All I have to say is this could likely be the straw for me, depending on how its implemented.

If it like old BC and there are just small pockets you cant fly over, I can live with it.

If its so bad I cant really fly, I’m done.

[Cistasimia-hyjal (Cistasimia)]

I, for one, will be filing a bug report, should the mount that I worked so hard to get, lose the ability to walk on water. If everyone who has a water strider were to do the same, it would communicate the level of blunder that this plan is perpetrating.

I am still angry, I suppose, that the water walking ability of my Dread stead was taken away. But far more egregious things have been done, so I guess that is old news.

[Raiyyn-whisperwind (Raiyyn)]

Or hey, here’s a novel idea… actually put some of that creativity they’re applying towards breaking yet another thing, and put it into …ugh…“creating” other mounts that walk on water, or slow fall, or reduce daze effects.

That is actually a fantastic idea. And something these devs will never do because it makes way too much sense and would actually add something worth putting effort toward into the game.

They don’t know how to add things that make sense. They seem to only know how to break things that work fine and/or remove things for no reason at all.

[Nearo-emerald-dream (Nearo)]

Says the wpvper. You don’t actually have any content progression (LFR BoD 8/9 Normal BoD 6/9 0/9 LFR-Mythic CoS is close enough to no progression as makes no difference) on the toon you are on so I have to assume its your only toon and its sole purpose in life is to go to traditional horde leveling areas to grief others. And each and every one of your “arguments” would only be argued by someone who tries to gain an advantage by the blue nerf bat. Your arguments are old stale invalid without merit or logic and your ulterior motive sticks out like a sore thumb.

Thanks for playing though.

Resorting to personal attacks isn’t an effective argument. You don’t even know me but you dug through my profile to dig up something to attack me with since you can’t refute any of my actual points. Bravo for that.

FYI, I’m an RPer - and I do happen to do a lot of WPvP because my roleplay is military in nature (it should be pretty obvious based on my guild name, transmog, and that I play on one of the largest RP realms). WPvP and griefing are not the same thing btw - you come off as completely ignorant when you take that clueless position.

To clarify - I choose not to use a Water Strider because of my RP. It is completely immersion-breaking for me to to ride my character around on a huge bug when there are perfectly good Kul Tiran chargers available. I like this change because now I can water walk on my Kul Tiran charger without carrying a bunch of water walking potions with me in order to get the same effect that I could have by simply riding an ugly water strider at the cost of my RP immersion. I had thought at the beginning of the expansion that it would have made sense for Kul Tiran blacksmiths to be able to craft Stormsteel hoofplates that would enable water walking - given the nautical nature of the island nation. This is close enough to that, so I’ll take it.

You can still enjoy your ugly bug - it’s just not mechanically superior anymore.

[Parìyah-emerald-dream]

To clarify - I choose not to use a Water Strider because of my RP.

…now I can water walk on my Kul Tiran charger

A horse walking on water is more realistic than the water strider? A horse walking on water is better for your RP immersion?

[Nearo-emerald-dream (Nearo)]

To clarify - I choose not to use a Water Strider because of my RP.

…now I can water walk on my Kul Tiran charger

A horse walking on water is more realistic than the water strider? A horse walking on water is better for your RP immersion?

It absolutely is - if it’s due to a magical effect.

A water strider’s ability to walk on water isn’t due to magic, it’s due to it being a water strider, but real water striders are able to walk on water because they are so light weight that they do not break the surface tension of the water. That’s the scientific explanation of how water striders in the real world walk on water. This is impossible with the huge size of the water striders in WoW, much more so with them carrying a rider - so yeah, magic is a much more believable reason than this bug not breaking surface tension.

[Cairnage-greymane (Cairnage)]

A water strider’s ability to walk on water isn’t due to magic

Can you show me where this is specifically stated?

I mean if Nat Pagle can make a change to striders that is going to change every water strider in the world and NOT just successive generations, I would have to say its magical in nature.

[Nearo-emerald-dream (Nearo)]

A water strider’s ability to walk on water isn’t due to magic

Can you show me where this is specifically stated?

I mean if Nat Pagle can make a change to striders that is going to change every water strider in the world and NOT just successive generations, I would have to say its magical in nature.

It’s not stated one way or the other, but it’s not difficult to surmise that the fact that Blizzard initially went with a water strider as the model for the water-walking mount is because they were drawing a parallel to the physical science behind how water striders in the real world walk on water.

[Raiyyn-whisperwind (Raiyyn)]

if the character who earned the Anglers reputation along with the mount gets the water walking item for free, what would a fair price be for the alts to get it?

A fair price for alts to get it is FREE considering they all have it for free now at level one and you’re already changing that to level 20. I shouldn’t have to pay for something I’ve had for free for 6+ years (your number).

If that character who earned the reputation and mount has the option to water walk (but might choose something else), do you feel that alts should have every single thing that the other characters have?

I shouldn’t have to choose between water walking, something I already have available to all of my characters, and something else. I should be able to keep what I earned!

You guys need to stop taking things away from players just because. There is zero reason for this change.

Also, just out of curiosity, how often would you estimate that you have you used the water strider mount in the 6+ years it’s been available?

I use it when I want to cross large areas of water. Small ones I use the potion or levitate (as a Priest), or I just swim. But I use it often. Probably just as often as I use the Grand Exp. Yak for TMog or repairs. I use it when it’s needed and I don’t use it when it’s not.

I has specific functionality that I don’t need all the time. I use it when it’s needed.

There are a lot of mounts out there and it’s strange to have a “wrong choice” when out running around.

How is there a “wrong choice” when you can choose any mount you want to ride? We can use the mount we want then change when we need a “special mount”.

You’ll easily be able to keep the ability just as you have it now but there will be other options that you (the player) can make if you prefer something else.

We won’t “easily be able to keep” anything! We will have to choose between something we already had and something else. Which equipment is better for what we’re currently doing? Then the “freebie” from rep is gone because we’ll need “no daze” or “slow fall” for some area, then we’ll have to buy a new WW equipment piece, then a new “no daze” then a new WW, then a new “slow fall”, then a new… and so on and so on forever.

Nothing about this system is “easy”.

my personal opinion from my play experience is that the water strider ability is just much stronger than the sky golem herbing.

How so? Please explain how being able to cross large bodies of water with a mount is “stronger” than being able to farm materials? I mean, seriously? Do you even play this game?

look forward to hearing your feedback

Feedback seems to be overwhelmingly negative toward this change. But, like everything else you guys dig your heels in on, nothing we say will make any difference because you don’t actually care about our feedback.

[Disglain-wyrmrest-accord]

If they want to allow people only one equipment perk at a time, perhaps put an infinite, BoA Water Walking shoes behind Anglers rep for 40g.

It would be an inconvenience to need to buy one and mail it to your alt, but at most you’d need to spend 1,960g to outfit an entire account and it would still fall into line with Blizzard’s desire to restrict our choice to one perk at a time.

No one is entirely happy, the best compromise.

[Jops-zuljin]

If they want to allow people only one equipment perk at a time, perhaps put an infinite, BoA Water Walking shoes behind Anglers rep for 40g.

Super Simple:

You have new mail.
Subject: Dear Water Strider Owner
Body: “Overuse of Blight has dissolved the special magic on Water Striders’ feet around the world. To help with this problem, the angler’s have added new water walking equipment your Heirloom Collection tab.”

[Parìyah-emerald-dream]

Super Simple:

You have new mail.
Subject: Dear Water Strider Owner
Body: “Overuse of Blight has dissolved the special magic on Water Striders’ feet around the world. To help with this problem, the angler’s have added new water walking equipment your Heirloom Collection tab .”

I would accept this. I would be willing to buy the other types of equipment to use as I wanted to if I had a water walking piece of equipment that was not consumable and BoA.

[Alfgerdhr-moon-guard]

Well said, and clear!
Have an ale!