Tested this on a several of mounts and race combinations.
BIG mounts (brutosaur, yaks, mammoths, eleks, cloud serpents, etc) always fail get back on top of the water for large and small player races. No noticible difference between Live and PTR. (tested with shaman water walking and DK path of frost on live, going from swimming to mounted)
SMALL and most MEDIUM mounts can easily get back on top of the water for both large and small player races. No noticible difference between Live and PTR.
Some Medium-Large mounts are affected by the size of the player. ie: some work for goblins but not tauren/trolls. I ran into a few inconsistencies between live and PTR here (with Cloud Serpents and Dragonhawks).
When it comes to going from SWIMMING to WATER STRIDING again, 8.2 is not significantly different than live. People will just have to use smaller mounts if they have problems.
My concern is that folks focusing on how the cost isnât extreme are missing the big picture, which is that ultimately, everyone is losing functionality with this system. That thereâs any cost at all is a problem. That it means weâre limited to only one mount effect across all mounts for a single character is a problem. That a portion of the player base is having something taken away so that other players can gain something is a problem.
Because this change will have a negative effect on my game play and that of others who share my game play style is exactly why Iâm replying even if someone isnât speaking directly to me. This change effects everyone and I fear that many wonât realize it until itâs too late.
If I âborrowâ your furniture, how much do you think would be a fair price to pay - for each family member - to get it back?
Iâll give you a heavily discounted price.
Of course then Iâll make it necessary to keep moving it, and each move will cost you 1000 dollars, but it wont cost much to put it back the way you want afterwards - and Iâll throw in the right to sit on your lamps and tables, because we donât want there to be a wrong choice when it comes to sitting.
Next year the prices might go up, or I might remove the right to sit on your furniture altogether - but thatâs just weirdo tinfoil hat speculation, donât think about it.
It will all be good because after all, how often do you sit on your sofa?
Trivial or not, double-charging is skeevy behavior.
Bag space is worth way more than 40g to me⌠and this change chews up at least one slot for every alt that bothers to use âotherâ mount equipment, because I never know when Iâll have to switch back.
So either I carry WW potions, or equipment or something, where as before⌠I had a functional water strider I could use when needed. Without giving up a bag slot for it.
I understand the big picture. Just because not everyone shares your melodramatic outlook doesnât mean they donât understand whatâs going on. Such a view is arrogant at best.
If the cost wasnât trivial Iâd agree. Except it is. Which means I donât.
The only thing that surprises me here is that this change wasnât implemented sooner. It wonât impact things this expansion in any meaningful way as weâre getting flight shortly after this goes into effect. Next expansion it will.
I donât care that you responded to me. I care that you pretended I was addressing you when I specifically pointed out the complaints I was talking about and then tried to act like I was strawmanning you. That was deceptive.
Itâs understandable to have a negative opinion of the change when it will impact your gameplay negatively. Right now I have toons I use both the stirrups and the saddle on while I run around on my strider. Iâm not sweating it, but I understand what this means in the long term and why people wonât like the change.
âItâs a snake!â
âNo itâs a tree!â
âNo! Itâs a rope!â
âNuh uh! Itâs a WALL!â
âNo way, itâs a FAN!â
âSorry guys, itâs a SPEAR!â
This change too the WW Strider is nothing but micromanagement our time and GoldâŚyouâll see soon it will effect our flying mountsâŚand more then likely our gear and weapons nextâŚremember what happen at last Blizzcon about the new Diablo to the âyou got phoneââŚthey are pushing this crap down our throats now.
Any other false equivalency you want to toss around to try to justify your outrage? I bet you think that silly example makes you look witty when it just makes you look juvenile. You do realize the water strider isnât real physical property right? That you donât actually own it right? That weâre talking about a video game right not something you can pretend you have the moral high ground on right?
Considering that there are still folks confused about how the system will work, itâs not arrogant at all; itâs a realistic possibility that some folks legitimately donât understand.
Good for you. Bad for people who do care. Again, a system that causes some of the player base to lose something in order for another portion of the player base to gain something is a bad system, especially when such a sacrifice isnât necessary, or, rather, wouldnât be necessary if the reason for the change was what weâre being told.
So you acknowledge that it will have a meaningful impact in the future. Thank you.
Edited to add that I actually anticipate this having a meaningful impact at the start of 8.2 while people are still working on completing pathfinder 2. I mean, weâll still be on island zones, right? With presumably a lot of water? Itâs not a far reach to predict that weâll see higher mob density so that folks, who now have to choose between water walking and anti dazing, will be slowed down regardless of the choice they make.
Accuse me of being melodramatic if you want, but itâs hard not to see it as another way for Blizzard to delay flying just that much longer.
Either the reward has enough value to justify the effort of earning it, or (clearly to you) it does not.
YOU have the choice. They have the choice. The requirements are reasonably clear.
If you canât be bothered to make the effort, donât expect ANYONE ANYWHERE to bother with caring about your self-inflicted plight. Be a dear and go raid Zulâdazar again or something and quit wasting time here.
Which is likely a placeholder on the PTR so players can experiment freely. With the other 2 options being crafted and subject to AH price gouging you can fully expect the Live 8.2 price to be in the neighborhood of what Blizzard expects the market price on the other 2 items to be.
Remember, the mount cost 5000g at Exalted. If you are looking at 1000g or more for each 1 time use Parachute or Daze Preventer versus a measly 50g (which is the current PTR price without discounts) which are you going to buy?
Which means players will have largely forgotten about it until 9.0 when suddenly the current mount equipment gets greyed out and you have to grind rep with the soggy vyrkul in order to buy new equipment.
The way it is designed it will already affect your flying mount since 1 slot on the journal effects all the mounts on that character. Funnily enough, flying mounts donât need the effects except when they arenât allowed to fly!
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I think youâre displaying a mis-understanding of how mount equipment works. We donât âchoose a mount to have a slot onâ. It affects them all except sky-golem/lumber extractor, which are âspecialâ.
And WHO CARES if we can switch back and forth, so long as weâre not stacking multiple benefits like no-daze AND water walking or whatever Blizzard thinks is too powerful that we canât have it starting in 8.2?
You didnât reply to the thread. You replied specifically to me. Why are you talking about vague others? Oh thatâs right, itâs your lame justification for your overreaction to my post.
Unless we have confirmation that the items that buff players are being taken out of the game in favor of mount equipment then no one can confirm anything. I wouldnât be surprised if they were though. Being able to run around nonstop while herbing/mining with water walking, daze immunity, and interact while mounted during pre-flight is something I could envision Blizzard removing. Beyond resource farming I personally see no reason to ever utilize multiple items like that.
Iâve already stated I understand why people dislike the change. I just donât see it as a big deal. Itâs a minor inconvenience at best imo, so yes, I absolutely see pretending this is a world shattering issue as being melodramatic.
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