Water Strider Discussion

But they won’t because, unlike striders, people sell Sky Golems on the AH and people buy wow-tokens to buy them so they can get herbalism.

At least enough to justify not messing with them.

And yes, capt, obvious, this is my opinion you don’t need to go “blah blah variables you don’t know blah” at me again.

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nobody should need to be grinding rep because of this change.

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Well, while it’s possible, it might just as likely be, even more so, the fact that there is no farming mount equipment- at least yet. Since there is going to be water walking equipment, that’s what makes this water strider different.

Don’t grind, you do not need to. You’ll be able to buy a water walking thing on the AH instead of from Nat. It’s ok. I know some folks don’t like working towards things (even small amounts of effort), but the AH exists, specifically, for that.

do you even understand what you’re saying?

if folks don’t like working for things, how did they get their Strider?

…they did the work to get the strider, why should they need to pay to fill it with fuel too?

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I got it by doing a few measly dailies. So, the reward is a free pair in the mail and cheap ones on the fly (even though I’ll likely just keep water walking). You’ll still be able to buy water walking even without doing the effort, like I said. No reason to sound angry at me. Reality is what it is, I am not in charge of anything.

Let’s be real. This isn’t Blizzard giving us some fancy new system to give us “choices”. This is Blizzard saying, “Hey, we’re gonna add these two new mount buffs, but if you want to use them, you have to give up the functionality of a mount you’ve already had for years. What? It’s totally fine guys. You’ll get it free if you already had it!”

Okay, but why even BOTHER adding the other two if I’m going to have to use the water walking one just to get back a function my mount always had??

That’s not a choice. That’s a big, fat middle finger to everyone who went through the trouble to get the Water Strider in the first place and now they can’t even use the other two equipment options if they want to get back the reward they ALREADY HAD.

Smh.

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Well, it is a choice actually. Now you can water walk just like always- in fact you’ll never even know a change happened. Just open your mail, put it into the slot, and BAM, forget about the whole thing.

The choice is for other players that want that or may want something else instead, or may want to leap back and forth as they feel inclined- and want it on the mount of their choice instead of just the ugly bugly.

No reason to tell me that people don’t like to work for things.

I’m exalted with Anglers, so it’s not an issue for me.
However.
I’m not the only person who plays this game.

There are a whole bunch of people who chose one of two options to obtain their strider, and now they’re going to have to fork out gold because in retrospect, blizzard decided that the Crimson owners chose the wrong one.

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Sorry man, the reality is that some people do not like to work for things. They hit up the AH and buy whatever it is that they could go out and farm. That’s just the way it is. Right one, wrong one, they’ll just buy the AH ones and won’t even need to worry about spending a couple of hours on Angler’s rep. So, no biggie. They’ll buy one of those things, slap it into their slot and will never even have to think about it again for the rest of their time in WoW.

Or, like with everything else on the AH- they’ll pay for the convenience of not getting that rep up. That’s how it’s always worked. You pay gold for things on the AH to save you time.

this was an unnecessary addition to the game.

now they can never go back because people will be pissed if they do.

they need to think things over more and maybe even ask the community what it is we want in the game instead of just making it about ian and what ian wants you know?

No, they won’t think about it until the day they go running into the water and sink because blizzard decided to remove that specific piece of equipment. But that is one day in the future, so why worry about it now, right?

Yeah, and, they will ask like every patch “Why muh stridah sink?” And trade chat will tell them the answer, or Google, or WoWhead or whatever. And THEN they’ll go to the AH and buy a thing and slap it into the slot and rejoice that they no longer have to ride that weird bug and can now ride their favorite mount ever and still walk on water, and live forever happily after.

Do you listen to yourself? The strider took weeks of fishing up Tiger Gourami and Mimic Octopus and that other fish thing, turning them in, doing Anglers dailies. That’s work. Buying that item from the Anglers for each and every alt you have below 100 is not work. You are eager to not work and saying that everyone who worked for the mount is lazy.

Vindictiveness is when you gloat that everyone who doesn’t agree with you that the bug is ugly and rightfully relegated to the trash will suffer the loss of the reward of all of their hard work.

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The way you rationalize nonsensical answers with circular tautologies is utterly irrefutable.

“They didn’t do it because they didn’t do it”, is the short version of your answer. We already knew that part, but thanks, I guess, for adding something to something because it needed something added to it, or something.

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If you say so, regardless, the system will not change.

Sure it’s okay, because they can get away with it.

Like “Hey, glad you got a lot of good use out of that car I sold you. But I came and took the engine back. That’s okay you can buy another.”

You say that’s “OK”? Great.
Pretty clear your ethical compass is busted.

If you say so, Mr. Thesaurus. Attack me if you want, sorry if I struck some sort of nerve with you, but the fact is the golem did not change because there is no farming mount equipment slot. However, the water strider did because there is such a slot. And, regardless of why, regardless of what you think, regardless of any anger, ire, or large syllabicated words, it does not change the reality.

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No, that’s a real life scenario with consequences. This is more like a pretend mount in a video game now requires an extra step to walk on water and then walks on water again.

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I don’t think people are objecting to the central idea - giving more options to more mounts sounds great (to me, at least).

But taking something earned away doesn’t feel good, and sets a very bad precedent.

Not that I think it would happen - but imagine that you really dig Zandalari trolls. They were why you bought BFA, and you hit the rep grind as hard as you could to unlock them ASAP. And once you unlocked them, you race-changed all 12 of your max-level characters to Zandalari.

But then let’s say that tomorrow Blizzard decided that Zandalari trolls are “overpowered” based on the logic that “you see so many of them.” So they say that in the next expansion, they’re removing the ability to play any Zandalari trolls except Paladins. Otherwise there are just “trolls” again now. Sucks if you wanted to use the Zandalari on any other type of character - it’s what you spent your money to do, grinded rep for, etc.

Naturally, this causes a huge outcry, and they back away from it. Everyone feels relieved. Bullet dodged.

But then, during the NEXT expansion, they announce that now EVERYONE can play all allied races WITHOUT grinding rep. That sounds pretty cool, right? Options! No grinding! They’re doing us a favour! And even if you’ve done the rep grinds already, you don’t begrudge anyone the ability to not have to do them.

But then they announce that they’re adding the limitations to the Zandalari that they tried to foist off last time - they can only be Paladins now.

But it’s cool, because you CAN buy player-crafted tokens to unlock the ability to play other Zandalari classes. And hey, you’ll get one for free every time one of your alts grinds out Honorbound rep. Or, if you’ve already ground out the rep previously, you’ll be able to buy tokens to unlock the other classes really, REALLY cheap.

The question is: does all of that sound cumbersome to you compared to how things are done right now? Do you think they’d do that? Why would they NOT do that?

If the answer is “because it would make players feel screwed over,” you have the answer as to why people are worried about this whole water strider thing. It COULD be really simple and fun (equipment to allow more mount freedom of choice), but it’s burdened with strange extra conditions that make it feel in no way “clean.” It feels like trick to get what they wanted to begin with, just in an underhanded way.

And before you say “they wouldn’t do that!” - think about how players discovered that mobs were suddenly scaling health back in Legion, after they’d previously announced mob scaling wouldn’t be something that would be put into the game. That wasn’t announced - it was snuck in.

There’s precedent to be concerned. It feels like attempt #2 of “let’s get rid of water-walking in the next expansion” more than it does “let’s give everyone water-walking from now on.”

Your mileage/tinfoil-wearing on such things may vary, of course.

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