Water Strider Discussion

[Kilhub-khazgoroth (Kilhub)]

But, that would just put us right back to all riding water striders. It literally takes ONE DAY during MoP time walking (about to be here btw) to get that mount, or only 21 days of doing lvl 90 dailies that counting travel time (assuming you don’t just log out there on one toon) take 10 mins. I mean, it’s nothing to get this mount.

In other words, no one would even buy have or own the water wlaking equipment. We’d all still be forced to ride the bug and then choose the equipment for all other mounts. C’mon man, you have to understand that this water strider thing is the very reason all this is going down, right?

What you have described here is player agency and player choice.

For you, your perception is that players would be mad to buy a piece of equipment to make their favourite mount walk on water, when it is so easy to get. Therefore you desire to make it harder to get.

This is no different to a stack of Herbs. Anyone can create a toon to get a stack in a day, of almost any Herb. We should not add Herb Equipment as a result.

When a set of rules are created, i.e. obtain Water Strider mount for water walking, then changing those rules and breaking the reward set in place is wrong. Calling out those that are changing the rules is right.

If they create mount equipment, and I can buy a token for 40 gold to make my Raptor have water walking then I would do it, and my alts can stick to the Water Strider, then it is win/win. I pay a sub to play this game, why should I pay with my gold and my time to have what I had yesterday? Why do I have to pay again? Why does this bring you pleasure?

[Jops-zuljin]

Gave it a quick try on the PTR and here’s one very big difference: with the mount equipment, if you’re in water but not mounted, and you mount up, you cannot walk on water at all.

As a Belf? That’s not good. Troll / Tauren sure, sometimes I have trouble doing that.

But if that’s the “new behavior” for water walking… I have no interest in it at all.

That’s just broken.

[Fenshire-feathermoon (Fenshire)]

I’m 10000000000% positive that if this truly becomes detrimental, then they’ll make a change.

You have this bizarre and completely unfounded notion that this Dev team gives a rat’s patoot about whether the players like it or not.

Well, it was changed so they must care to some extent.

[Sabine-dawnbringer (Sabine)]

I do have both striders

I still think the strider should keep it’s abilities intact. Just another poorly thought out redo of something that was not needing to be fixed.

[Kyokii-terenas]

Well I am going to continue to do the “wrong choice” and ride HATI because that fulfills my class fantasy that I have had since I tamed my first beast back in classic.

HATI and druid forms won’t get anything from mount equipment. Every druid who uses travel form has made the WRONG CHOICE.

Every herbalist who is not a blood DK has made the WRONG CHOICE.

Suck rocks blizzard

PS: In protest I am going to use the Water Strider as much as possible on all my non hunters because of how much it apparently bothers everyone. You’re welcome.

[Righteous-garrosh (Righteous)]

Gave it a quick try on the PTR and here’s one very big difference: with the mount equipment, if you’re in water but not mounted, and you mount up, you cannot walk on water at all.

With the water striders, all you needed to do was mount up and “jump up” onto the water surface. You cannot do that any more.

I noticed this too, whilst leaping down onto the water’s surface from the dock riding the meat wagon. Fall damage incurred, mount loses waterwalking. Re-checked using the water strider. Yep. Not the same water strider. Took fall damage, lost water walking. So, yeah no, it’s not the same as it has been because I can do the same thing on current live and the strider doesn’t break surface tension and sink. Just keeps on keeping on.

[Ðiesël-proudmoore (Ðiesël)]

What they could’ve done instead is give us a wider variety of mounts that can walk on water. Boats for example (it’s stupid how boat mounts can’t sail on water). I’m sure there are other ideas for mounts that can walk on water by default.

I’d rather have that than nerf the mount named “water strider” that will no longer stride on water by default.

This also seems like such an amazing idea and way of using the system. Maybe build on it in the future and let certain equip stack with “lesser” secondary equip slots that could change by expansion to coincide with story/plot theme’s.

As much as I don’t like the azerite gear system - I do appreciate how some of the traits draw from the current plot line and current progression bosses. It’ll be great to see how they grow and evolve it into the future.

[Jops-zuljin]

Did you happen to notice if using the new WW equipment whether you get a visible buff icon you can use to click it off… Without dismounting yourself?

[Sabine-dawnbringer (Sabine)]

I just looked and there is a clickable buff that you can disable. Had not thought about looking at that, but it is there.

Once you mount up again the buff returns.

So it is the same as using the water walking potion or having water walking cast on you.

[Jops-zuljin]

So it is the same as using the water walking potion or having water walking cast on you.

Good to know! And thanks for confirming!

(I not able to get into the PTR tonight to check first hand. )

[Nobully-blackrock (Nobully)]

I still think the strider should keep it’s abilities intact. Just another poorly thought out redo of something that was not needing to be fixed.

i don’t disagree at all on that point.

i’m just trying to confirm some of the info coming out of the ptr, because it seems to go against the grain of what was announced.

I was hoping to hear from someone who only owns the Crimson.

Announcement said items could be purchased from the vendor where the strider was purchased.

Crimson owners never required interaction or reputation with Anglers.
If Crimson owners can’t purchase items from the garrison, where do they get theirs from?

eg: are they able to purchase from the Anglers, and if so, are they getting a “discount” at a rate equivalent to the players who are exalted with Anglers.

AND has anyone looked into water walking being crafted?

(am i overthinking things here? i feel like this whole situation has just broken my brain with all the conflicting information!! i should prob just head over to the ptr forum)

[Sabine-dawnbringer (Sabine)]

I looked at the leather worker in Boralus and it was not listed. Since this is my highest character I am unable to check the new zones at the moment. So most likely it will be there. Wish I had info on the crafting costs and things for these to share.

[Aaku-zuljin]

Just chiming in to let you know that this is still a load of crap, and your stubbornness has ruined what could have been a neat addition to the game.

[Spanky-zangarmarsh]

You can’t say “oh, but we’re charging for it so that makes it okay” because you’re basically just sticking it on a Pandaria-era vendor that 95% of players will already have access to, so the most work they’ll have to do is trot down to Pandaria once and drop a bunch of gold on a Panda. How is that earning? Where is the challenge that makes something unique or at least valuable through achievement?

Yup. This exactly. I would be fine with Mechagon having mount equipment that you have to grind rep for. Gives us a reason to grind the rep other than flying. Flying at revered. Water walking, Herbing while mounted, Mining while mounted, anti daze , etc, etc, etc.

That would be a good way to introduce this concept.

[Righteous-garrosh (Righteous)]

Nobully, forgive me, but it would seem to me that even players with both striders should be seeing an item listed from Nat Pagle in their garrisson fishing area, if such item was listed. This may be an oversight on the PTR, but it stands to reason that would be how it should be. I’m still searching for my character who actually did the fishing. Closest I’ve come is one that has Nat Pagle in the garrison, but not enough rep to purchase that version of water strider, even though it shows “Already Known” for me. However, I can see the list of items offered, and no, currently, the BoA water walking item is not in the list there.

[Toddorbert-thrall]

If they insist in doing this without feedback from the players

when has feedback done any good>? betas from BfA, Legion, Draenor, etc…all the wrong implications that were added were complained about and the complaints were further broken down to show why it was a bad idea. made no diff, the devs did whatever they planned to do in the 1st place.

who actually posted, “Hey, too many portals in this game. let’s have most of them removed. have them all centralized and let us also have them port the player to some location which is not the main city. yeah lets do this”

[Celadina-dawnbringer]

Yeah, edited the above, it’s meant to just be the purchasing. If you earn it on one toon you can mail it to and use it on whoever is level 20+. If someone hasn’t been out there fishing with Nat Pagle then they can’t buy them for 40-50g and will need to get them through other means.

This is still ridiculous. If they can exempt the sky golem, then there is no reasonable excuse not to do the same for the strider mounts. This is blatantly nerfing a mount that many players spent many hours to farm, and then selling us back the ability that is being taken away, just in a different and slightly more annoying form.

In my opinion the only acceptable options are the following from most to least desirable.

1. Exempt Striders from the equipment slots and leave their WW ability intact as is being done for the Sky Golem herbing ability.

2. Make the equipment slots per mount, instead of per character.

3. Make the WW shoes FREE to players who own a strider mount.

[Zulzamba-farstriders]

Well, your questions are all different and loaded. Why should you pay with your gold and time with what you had yesterday? One option you have is to not do so. Simply do not play. Another would be to use those inflatable feet. Things change, this game changes, and if change is not your thing or if something changes that does not make the game fun for you, then my advice would be to go find something you do enjoy and spend your time doing that.

Why does this change bring me pleasure? Because I like it. I like that I do not feel forced to ride a mount I do not want to ride in order to water walk. Now, if I want to water walk I can. I like how it will give some professions new things to create. And, I like the idea that so much more can be added to this new system in the future. Things I like- bring me pleasure.

[Nediena-shadowsong (Nediena)]

The way it works right now on ptr… You receive your water boots in the mail. You equip it on your mount slot. This item is consumable, which means you can use it once. Yes once!!

If you want to use one of the other said items, (immune to daze, etc) it will destroy the current equip item, thus you will have to buy more.

Currently our water strider does not need any equipt item and happily walk on water.

This is the second worse idea next the exclusive druid travel form glyphs. (Currently we have to destroy our glyph and use another in order to take advantage of another travel form.)

How is anyone ok with the mount change?

[Kyokii-terenas]

How is anyone ok with the mount change?

Some people would rather have all their mounts to have water walk because they feel fake “forced” to use the strider 100% of the time and they don’t care that other people have to pay to get their function back.