Why did Blizzard implement any account-wide systems if not for the ability to share things with alts? We’ve been able to share water-walking with the water strider for about six years now, why is this suddenly a problem that needs to be solved?
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Free.
But besides that, as I mentioned, it’s ridiculous for a water strider to require “equipment” to walk on water. Elves gonna need “equipment” to have long ears next? From a fantasy, immersive perspective, it’s very very bad. I understand the desire to try to make more mounts usable, but there are other options.
A. Water strider keeps water walking, but is exempt from equipment modifications. Therefore actually creating a choice and room for preferences.
B. Make mount equipment per-mount, rather than applying to all of them, and then have water strider, again, be exempt from having equipment, because it already has water walking. This would be a better option.
As it stands, you’re gearing up for everyone to just use the water walking equipment and ignore the rest, even if just to keep the water strider making sense, or perhaps even just to spite the devs. Either way, you’ll just be shifting the problem of the water strider to the mount equipment.
If, for the second option, there’s concern about people feeling like they need to equip every single one of their mounts, well I don’t think that’s really much of a concern. Speaking for myself, I only assign a handful of my current mounts to the taskbar, and I use those.
Either way, you’re approaching this from the wrong direction.
Having said that, this seems to be one of those situations where you’re fixed course and not likely to make changes anytime soon. One learns to sense issues where the devs and community are at odds, but the community isn’t quite at odds enough for the devs to realize they’re making a mistake.
Then, in a few patches, they’ll acknowledge the mistake and promise a fix in a coming patch.
Not to sound bitter, and I know development takes a while, but sometimes issues like this are ones where communication could be better. Heart of Azeroth, you guys were aware of our feedback during pre-release, but didn’t acknowledge that you were working on large changes until 8.1’s pre-release. It would have been better to let players know sooner that you’d heard and were working on it. Lessens the feeling of being ignored.
Or the Caverns of Time portal that’s being added to the portal rooms. Same thing, that addition was relegated to a fairly small moment of one interview. Something worth telling us earlier.
You’re shaping up for yet another repeat of this pattern.
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still cuddling old glyph of felsteed
If they are going to give it back then maybe just throw tons of water walking mechanics back into the game with that as their intended focus.
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Most ppl have the Azure Water Strider. I instead have the Crimson Water Strider and dont have the Azure one at all. So am I screwed out of the “free” mount equip?
Further more I actively decide when to use my Water strider key bind and when to use my Summon Favorite mount key bind based on need. Now Im having active choices removed from my world questing.
Water walking is a requirement for Nazmir and Stormsong IMO. In short all that means is, Mount equipment is a false choice. The only choice till flying is available is water walking. After flying all the current options are not impactful and even now we have consumables that apply all the effects of proposed equipment. This is literally a system that adds nothing other than a bit of welfare.
The system being applyed only gives those who didnt farm one of the two striders the option to water walk. Youre not solving a lack of mount variety for those that have farmed one, youre solving a problem of players that refuse to have 2 mount keybinds and make the active choice of when to use the strider or not.
The real solution is to give out more individualized mount perks. Mounts with wings have natural slow fall. Cats and horses with higher or longer jumps (if i can jump the river i dont need to water walk it. Mecho bike with a sprint like it has in ulduar. Make boats actually float. Then take the mount equip system and make it individual to the mounts so we can customize our stable and out door mount riding experience as we see fit.
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We are feeling duped once again. What does the price need to be? FREE for all players on the account which obtained the water strider the legit way. Any price is just buying back what we already had since mounts are BATTLE NET wide, not even just account-wide. This also lets people get the rep with Anglers now, or even after 8.2 and then their equipment would be free as well. There is enough gold sink in the game right now.
Yes. alts should have all of the benefits they did before, which is mounting up and using water walking. It took over 6 years to realize this was too strong in the game? That is a ridiculous premise.
I have always used the water strider on alts while leveling. Basically the entire time. It’s just less annoying to not be stuck switching mounts in a water-filled zone. But having said that, at max level I definitely use mostly other mounts.
The alt situation is whats really rubbing people the wrong way. Give the battle.net account that has the strider free access to the floaty shoes thingies forever, add them to the vendor mounts so we dont need to go to Pandaria to get them, and people would likely be fine with it. EVEN IF this gives you guys more control over how we play the game (IE water walking cannot be used in xyz zone until you do xyz, sort of thing).
EDIT: and every character gets a reusable item for water walking as well, because they are consumed on use. You guys are creating a problem where there wasn’t one AGAIN and I really don’t understand it.
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First off, the strider losing the water walking ability but players being able to put it back on is fine. It’s really not a big deal. Even if they didn’t remove the strider’s water walking ability, likely it would get the same treatment as the goblin shredder where it can still herb but won’t have an equipment slot because of it. So in the end it’s not like you would have the water walking ability plus something else. Would be the same in the end either way. The fact you get the water equipment for free and at a heavily discounted cost permanently is more than plenty.
My main thought’s on the whole mount equipment thing is that I wish they took a different direction in general. They should have just classified mounts in different families/categories and gave those groups unique abilities. Some ground mount families might be able to leap or jump really high, some walk on water, some glide, some have a charge that can stun things in front of you before it dismounts you, etc. They could have catered unique and fun abilities that better fit the fantasy of the different mount types/species.
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I took the time to read this entire posting and this is the Activision-Blizz MO. They have a specific direction to force players to double up time and effort. I have some alts, 3-4, but I do not play them as much as my Rogue. I earned both striders and in the end of all this, you will be forcing me to regain something i have already ‘achieved’ forcing me to earn it or make it again…
This also, in my opinion, will kill the alt exp. ALts are not separate characters, they are an extension of the player for ease of play. Do they really expect players to re-gain something they have already gained, then have to turn around and regain it on an alt? The answer here is yes. They want you to spend as much time on the treadmill as possible. That’s how they make their share holders happy.
This company is no longer the “For Gamers by Gamers” mentality. I have zero confidence they will listen to the community on this topic or any we gather against or for.
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What are you regaining? They are literally giving you the water walking equipment for free.
Darn, i wanted to post it under my rogue picture. i returned for 8.2 in hopes of a bright light at the end of this doom and gloom tunnel.
Juggslol, My water striders will not have water walking unless i make this equipment… That means I have to spend time, gold, resources to make an item I already gained through faction grinding and hours, and I mean hours of game play. A slap in the face really. Now, if i want to level an alt, and have water walking, i have to double-down and make it for them as well. It’s not necessary. they can easily, have mounts with xyx ability and add one new ability to it… not remove something it already had, to say “here is this new exciting ability you had for 6+ years”…
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You have to understand that this is from the perspective of devs that doesnt play their game.
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Are you just not reading the part where they said they are literally giving you that item for free?
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Oh no! Those player now have to suffer moving slowly on water because they dont use striders…![:scream:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/scream.png?v=6" ":scream:")
That’s terrible!
I think people believe that the anti-daze and parachute equipment choices should be separate from water walking, hence they are feeling like bliz is screwing them somehow by not allowing them to have both WW and one of the other two.
If you want WW you can have it … forever on all mounts.
Just because there is other equipment that can be used doesnt mean you have to or are entitled to use it at the same time you have WW.
The other equipment is for those few classes that already have WW as a spell or those people who are all about convenience and rich enough to swap out equipment at will.
For the people annoyed that their grinding efforts are wasted, should blizz put the floatie equipment behind the same rep gate and have it be account bound and very very cheap? Would that make people feel better perhaps?
You are entirely missing the point. I’ve posted and repeated the argument too many times in too many threads now, but you are whistling past the graveyard on this one.
Good grief!!! They are giving you one free, on your character that has the rep with Anglers. That’s it! They are consumed on use. You need to buy one each for all of your alts that want it. Switch it to no-daze? You need to buy another one to gain water walking again. It’s not even close to as simple as you are saying. And the item is in a place 4 expansions old!
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So? They are also allowing you to purchase it at a very discounted price. It’s incredibly easy to make gold these days. This is a non issue. If you want to also not be dazed then buy the Bardings that LW’ers make. People are way too entitled to think they should have WW and something new from the equipment slot. If you think the striders weren’t incredibly overpowered when it comes to mount power you are blind.
I probably use it a minimum of once a week if not once a day on any character I log in. Also, I expect my alts to automatically have water walking equipment at this point. Mount is account wide, the gear should be too.
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So your justification for paying for something we already had is “it’s easy to make gold right now”. Did you forget what xpac we are in?
Nobody is asking for an equipment slot on the water strider. We just want water walking to remain and NOT benefit from any other equipment.
lol mount power. Lets just make everything in the game a gray square, ok? Everyone can have a gray square mount, a gray square weapon, a gray square character model. That way everyone has exactly the same thing and nobody can feel “forced” to use something unique.
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As I have pointed out in other threads and will continue to do … you can water walk on any mount already if you use water walking potions. This is an unnecessary change to the water striders. This whole “mount equipment” is unnecessary. There’s already crafted items that prevent being dazed, and that allow interacting with stuff while mounted.
If you have to purchase the equipment on each alt that’s no different than buying the crafted stuff on each alt.
I’ve got both the Azure Water strider and the Crimson Water strider. They need to keep their water walking abilities.
This change was the final straw to this camel. We have cancelled all 4 of our subscriptions. I have 5 days left on this account.
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