Was it always so toxic?

So I’m asking this question genuinely. I mean I remember chat could get pretty out of hand sometimes, and once I got stalked by a teenager for two months because I rolled on a dex item as a hunter and they were a rogue, but honestly, I don’t remember so many people being genuinely malignant and toxic. I want to reiterate, I’m not asking for increased bans or policing, I’m just commenting on the community. I don’t know if it’s a new generation or the OG players becoming crotchety in their old age, but what I do know is that toxicity is worse than I remember. Examples you say?

I didn’t have Pally Power in a dungeon, kept being pestered to download it, refused, at the end I was kicked out of the group so I would be sent back to my spawn point, the person responsible messaged me saying “LOL, wonder which takes longer, you downloading the addon or running back to SM?”

I’m at a camp pulling mobs for a quest. Mage arrives, pulls entire camp and refuses to group or allow me to tag any mobs for a kill quest. This has happened a couple times.

I recommended a druid tank (lvl 24) heal, because our priest (level 16) couldn’t heal Deadmines. They grab a huge pull, then drop group expecting us to die. We make it out, but you get the picture.

These were recent experiences, not since the server started, like just within the last couple weeks. Again, there seems to be a large number of people that have zero consideration for other people. If it’s the current generation of gamers, that’s depressing, if it’s the OG community, grow up, but either way, has anyone else been experiencing this?

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No, only Degen’s I’ve come across are the crazy loot people whispering when you win the roll. People just be crazy for purplez

Honestly leveling on Dreamscythe has been fine.

The dungeon groups have been smooth and fun, mostly good people.

I’ve had 1 or 2 bad group mates but they have been the exception by far.

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Classic wow is a majority of degens with hateful attitudes. You see it in dungeons, raids, pvp, its everywhere, but its mostly on Nightslayer. Something about pvp servers attracts those kinds of people.

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Gen-Zs man. Spoiled kids have no values n discipline in Life and no respect or care for others. They pick on ppl worse than them for their lack of skills n knowledge and at the same time make fun of people better than them for being no lifer.

Their whole world is built around themselves only. They want everything fast n easy. They have 0 understanding of working hard n earn something. Their logic is as poor as a 5 years old n the 1st thing they usually mention in an argument is your logs.

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Nightslayer is a toxic cyst pool of a server.

Welcome to WoW!

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It definitely was not back in 2004-2006.

It wasn’t even so toxic in pserver land in 2015-2019.

It got worse in 20219-2021 Classic, but it seems every year it gets even worse.

I think there’s three main things:

  1. Internet, and streamer culture, has intensified and reinforced toxic edgelord behaviors. This has gotten worse over the years, and really wasn’t a thing “back then”.
  2. The game is so min/maxed and hyper optimized. Every year it becomes more so. Every year the player base is forced into this playstyle or else they’re met with toxic behavior. I remember the first time someone yelled at me in deadmines because I didn’t know some skip exploit lol. We also just didn’t understand the game like we do now “back then”. But now, the hyper optimized playstyle is dominant and if you aren’t playing this, people get mad. This encouraged others to join in on it and further marginalizes “casuals” and people who just want to play to have fun.
  3. Mega servers breed anonymity. Smaller realms force community. Your name means something. If you’re toxic people shun you. Now you’re just a drop in the bucket. Especially with layers. I’ll never see you again, and the social contract is now out the window. Burn bridges with your guild? All good. 1000’s more on the realm and it’s too big to truly get blacklisted compared to a 3k pop server where you sort of knew all the player names.

More to it than that I’m sure, but that’s my 2 copper. Seek out communities who reject this BS.

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People have just become more angry and misanthropic in general over the past 20 years. Due to a lot of reasons.

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the anniversary player base is the problem :expressionless: come to classic era, mankrik cluster. we are very chill and just want to have a good time playing classic WoW the way it’s supposed to be played.

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Megaservers do nothing to foster the community, and with the endless sea of names, you’re a no one to them.

They can treat you how they like because theres thousands of other groups they can slip into.

Anniversary has been the worst community I’ve seen since I started playing in OG Vanilla. It reminds me of OG Tichondrius.

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I’m surprised they waited so long to kick someone that refused to play their class

You don’t need an addon to play your class.

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If people are telling a Paladin to get Pally Power it’s because they failed the only important part of their class.

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Yup. Some of us saw this coming a mile away. It’s simple human nature.
You’re not a person on a megaserver; you’re a number. A disposable zero, and treated as such.

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This was always the case. Megaserver or not

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Me sitting here in q for BRD and LBRS now for 1hour on a full server…thought full servers with 27 layers we’re better for groups…

It’s not gen Z. It’s other people who played the game for 20 years and seriously don’t understand people who can play that long can still be bad.

People who played for 20 years expect everyone else to have as well.

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Are you queing as DPS? Druid to druid, I wouldn’t even want druid DPS in a 5 man.

I would argue for shamans you might.

What toxicity lol