Thank you! I don’t know why this is a foreign concept to people. It was obvious if you watched the WFC.
This explains alot. I thought he was just a troll with low io and parses.
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So we have to continue to suffer because one guild decides it’s a good idea to have a warrior just for bs and rc. fantastic.
They had two. So, not just for shout.
And we’re ignoring that said guild has spoken on how strong prot and arms are?
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He is. Didn’t you see his post count? He lives here. I just ignored him and go about my day.
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I wish someone would come out and say what the dps warriors actually brought to the table other the rally and shout. The rally’s don’t stack but they can be used as 2 different cds.
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Couldn’t agree more and can’t believe there’s people still trying to say Prot Warr is balanced right now.
Yeah ignore the forum trolls that live here. There are enough posts and well reasoned warriors that agree with you.
Not just one guild, the best guild. Think of any analogy you like where the world’s best team/competitor uses something and wins a worldwide competition with it. Do you still get to blame the thing? Or should you blame your inability to use the thing?
If Na"Vi wins a DOTA 2 TI match with Pudge, can you call Pudge a terrible hero?
If Ford develops a car that wins Le Mans, can you call it a terrible car?
If Idom wins the Capcom Pro Tour maining Laura in Street Fighter V, can you call her a terrible character?
If TY wins the Starcraft 2 GSL two out of three seasons with Terran in 2020, can you call Terran the worst race?
I sincerely hope you don’t go through life thinking everyone who disagrees with you about anything is a troll.
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Warrior best class in pvp, so Im Gucci with it being bad in pve boys
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Appreciate your genuine concern. Im simply encouraging all fellow players that are enduring similar hard times with the class they like to play that there are fellow players experiencing tje same issues. Dont be dismayed by some of the opinions of the people that live in this thread. Again boys youre not krzy there’s just a bunch of alleged warriors on this forum that feel the need to voice their opinions every momemt someone disagrees with their opnion; they think theure the consensus while theyre actually the minority. The logs are out there and itll be funny to point when each Warrior spec gets buffed eventually.
Just because it can be done by the top. 1% doesnt mean its balanced. This game isnt developed soley for them. Anyone that argues you cant balance for lfg, pugs, or new guilds are denying that these listed categories are part of the game hence where they’re also developed around. They didn’t institute these ventures of the game to be ignored as its how a majority (maybe not “the” but certainly a large part) play whether you like it or not.
Youre comparing the regular player base to elitist bro…
Accumulating this many posts over several years is a high count?
That sounds very silly.
If the spec being played optimally outputs good numbers compared to other specs being played optimally, then what is the problem.
I don’t think you realize, but your entire point is, “People playing correctly should not be the basis of balancing, the people who play incorrectly are”
Why not, just improve your own play?
Anyone that argues that balancing for these matters sounds very silly.
You know you can simply put multiple responses in one post, right.
And no, he is not doing that.
This would be much more noble than what I see you doing, which is labeling people who disagree with you as trolls that others can safely ignore.
Also…
Dismayed? You’re sincerely dismayed by being told that your class has potential if only you reach out and grab it?
What word do you use for your perspective, which appears to be “the class/spec is terrible and there’s nothing you can do”?
The funny part will be my conversation with my M+ group if I get buffed. I’ll cheese all over those needs.
Why do you hold the bottom 99% in such low regard? I believe in their ability to strive for better performance and constantly improve. Why don’t you think they can do it?
I’m part of the regular player base, and I actively use high performers as inspiration. I love knowing I’m the problem if I don’t succeed, because it means I have more to improve on.
Seriously, why don’t people look at someone who achieves and think “OK, there’s a way, so I just need to find the will”?
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Good for you being a regular player pointing out how elitists play. The issue I have, as well as other new faces that post daily are that while playing optimally compared to every other high peforming specs of each class Warriors are performing fairly low despite style. You guys are making the game sound way harder then it actually is (never been more dimple to figure out) . If you want to call the majority of the player base unable to figure out how 2 hit 3 to 4 buttons in a sequential order depending on encounter then i leave you with your stated opinion. Again look at real logs with substantial parse counts, notnjust what derez links and youll see the fallacy.
Some warriors feel our low dps is fine because we bring utility while balance druid that bring battle rez, shamans/mages that carry heroism, and blah, blah, blah; each class has a form of utility and itbdoesjt dictate their relative dps. Its of my opinion that i dont care if warriors are at the botyom pf dps chsrts but they should have at least one spec that is doing optimally compared to the rest of the best specs of each class.
Derez i honestly feel bad for trollimg you bro and politely am telling you im not responding to you. You embellish sources to prove your arguments and as one stated earlier move the flag post like a high-school football team to win arguments. Not going @ it with you again we’ve already discussed our disagreements why keep it up? ====> rhetorical
Again when blizzard buffs all three warrior specs im SO curious what the trolls will say the resson being other than an underwhelmingly performed class
Apologies fpr my grammer my keyboard blows as nd im fast commemting while @ work >>
Literally you minutes ago:
Also you:
Me, though:
I’m happy to discuss/disagree about the state of Warriors, but if you’re going to misrepresent what I said only minutes ago this outrageously, I don’t know what to tell you.
It’s incredibly disappointing.
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Lol. I have watched time and again as he provides exactly what people ask for, and then they immediately respond with, “Oh yeah, well then show me this!” But he’s the one that moves goalposts? Give me a break dude - love him or hate him, Derez is too literal to be accused of goalpost moving. He’s quite frankly incapable of it as an aspect of his personality, an aspect people like you emphasize and attack in this very thread. You can’t have it both ways.
You have to clarify if you mean Arms or Fury, because they are in drastically different circumstances right now in PVE content. There is no decent warrior in this forum saying Fury’s dps is fine. To claim otherwise is a lie. Arms dps…is fine. It’s extremely strong on a couple fights -important fights - weak on a couple, and overall mid-tier. That’s exactly where any spec should be.
I mean I certainly hope Fury gets buffed again, I would do horrible things to make it happen if I thought it’d help. That’s not the point. If you’re not downing mythic bosses right now, then your problems are you, not the class. All 3 specs are quite capable of completing all the content out there. Fury is freakin’ pushing the limits of the word ‘viable’ when it comes to anything with Single Target emphasis, but it hasn’t broken them yet.
This has to stop. Just blankly labelling everyone who disagrees with you a troll, writing off their arguments, opinions, evidence whatever because they’re saying stuff you don’t like is simply unacceptable behavior. Act like an adult and learn to respect people you don’t agree with.
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Okay disagree with me and others. Defend derez everytime i have no ridicule for you doing so nor any other warriors, you like the guy, but its nonsensical to ignore that the majority of plauers have an opinion of him and those defending unsubstantiated opinions that are regurgitated hourly. Let the community voice their opinions. Just because theyre new or dont frequent the warrior forums doesnt devalue their opinons. Nor does it stand those that post rhe most should be considered sages of the class. Opinons are those of self expression and im sorry you have the need to defend the popular opinion that a lot (not all) of what derez says is simply opinion and not fact.
Btw he is in fact a level 11 troll warrior that restates his opinions on every threads comments (thats trolling bro and my opinion, just because you disagree doesn’t change how most feel but go aheas and argue about it every hour) …
Oh we’re name calling now.
The game has varying difficulty that you can adjust. The specs are not difficult.
At no point have I stated otherwise.
First of all.
It is always more than 2-4 buttons.
Secondly, how else do you explain the gap in output and performance, beyond what is explained by gear and circumstance.
At no point have I done this.
Neither of these statements have been made, or insinuated.
Responding to people in different threads, or different people in the same thread, on the same point, is not trolling. That’s consistency.
It would be trolling if I were to change my view or stance depending on where I am stating it, or to whom. As that implies a lack of consistency, and therefore, sincerity.
Additionally, yes. Some think as you do. They have disdain for me. Others think the opposite.
I will say this. I have had several dozen posts flagged in the past few weeks.
Exactly 98.2% of them were restored. So at what point are the people spam flagging my posts not fighting my toxicity, but instead enacting the toxicity themselves.
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