I think slavery has been abolished. Thrall was against it since he was a gladiator slave.
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I wanted Tyrande to fry ever since her insufferable dialogue with Malfurion in Val’sharah.
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That was hilarious but i dont think it was a literal depiction
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Nope it was in full swing under his rule. He just had stricter rules on it. Thrall was not as nice and clean as people think.
He so was racist cause he thought only an Orc could rule the Horde so he picked Garrosh. He sent Broxigar on a suicide mission that killed all his men. He allowed the Warsong conflict to continue. One of his advisors during Wrath was a former slave owner who only stopped because Vairan had made him filthy rich.
What do you think peons are? They are half wit slaves sure Thrall gave them more rights than they ever had but they were still slaves.
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I mean to be fair Sylvanas did more for the Horde than Garrosh or Vol’jin. And she made smarter decisions than Thrall.
So even if she was a power hungry tyrant who wants to kill everyone, which I don’t believe is the case and is actually a red herring - she’d be far from the worst Warchief the Horde’s ever had.
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Vol’jin took a broken Horde and built it back into a fighting force capable of taking on the Legion. We were so broke under Garrosh he was taking over the banks to steal the private funds to pay for the war. Vol’jin turned that around and very quickly.
He may have not fought great battles but he was a good domestic Warchief and thats more important than swinging a sword.
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By using her logic she accomplished nothing since she said the Horde was nothing.
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I wasn’t around in MoP. Did people argue for Garrosh this much?
There’s just 4 words needed to throw all that all away.
The Horde is NOTHING!!!
They did.
How about we pit Garrosh Loyalist vs Sylvanas Loyalist on a one-on-one Mak’gora?
That’s kinda how the horde settles their differences, no?
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He was enslaved by an UNDERGROUND ring of slavers, IE, slavers are not really allowed in Ogrimmar.
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Sorry, she’s a traitor and always has been a traitor. She betrayed the Horde over and over. I’ll never be a fan of that banshee.
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I understand my opinion is unpopular. However, and I do say this repectfully, I do not think Tokali won the debate but perhaps won the popularity contest. In terms of letting the Alliance know about what happened I think it was not needed. They heard the horn she sounded and saw the horde retreating. The Alliance were dreaming of a win with so many odds against them, waiting to sacrifice their lives for a losing battle; there was no time for explanations. As everything with Sylvanas Actions are louder than words.
Many fee the same way. I agree with you that her story could have been written much better. I can only imagine the difficulty it is to write something PC enough for WoW to keep its ESRB video game ratings in the “Teen” category. I really wonder how unhinged they can make her if they go up to rated R or M. At the same time I do think they could have done more with the current rating.
Isnt it amazing that even unpopular opinions can be shared in this forum?
She may have totally meant it but the undoubtable effect it had on the Horde and Forsaken relationship is removing the Sylvanas figurehead for the Forsaken. If another Warchief came about and Sylvanas was still around there would be great doubts over who the Forsaken truly support. Through her removal from office she has freed them to the ties that bond their loyalty to her thus allowing them to pledge loyalty to the horde with no strings attached.
Perhaps. That us up to each individual to decide.
I mean she did some good things and had some good effects of her actions. Things that would never have happened otherwise.
Only traitors I know are Saurfang and his loyalists.
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Did absolutely nothing positive towards the horde*
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She brought in the Zandalari to the Horde. The same Zandalari that have resisted joining the Horde for many years. How is that not a positive?
Anything she did, was most certainly not for the benefit of anyone but herself, she pretty much tells you this.
The war ending early was a loss for her. She needed The Horde and Alliance to keep dying, both of them.
I have a feeling Teldrassil will backfire on her. I don’t think Elunes Vengeance was calculated into her plan.
She nearly exterminated the Night Elves who have been mortal enemies to the Orcs for two decades. Now it falls upon us to finish what she started.
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So…just like every other politician who as ever held office?
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In all honesty, Sylvanas is one of the more accomplished faction leaders in this game.
The fact that she conquered the Northern 1/3 of the EK without much support from the rest of the Horde during Cata is pretty damn good.
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To be fair, aside from The Stormpike clan and Alliance in alterac, most of the people Sylvanas killed to take EK weren’t even soldiers.
South Shore had a handful of guards canonically, most of the people there were just citizens. But that seems to be how Sylvanas gets things done, kill everyone, regardless if army or not.
The Alliance tries to play war as if its a fair game, which is why they will keep losing until they go low like The Horde.
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Gilneas and the remnants of Strom.
Regardless, taking everything north of the Thandol Span is an obvious move. The Thandol Span is supposedly one of the easiest to defend locations and when you blight all possible docking points (Gilneas and Southshore) you force the Alliance to go through the Thandol Span choke point. The only reason why the Alliance was able to invade Lordaeron is because of… “plot”
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