Actually I don’t have any problem with then talking about their experience.
I was just honestly expecting a higher rating than 3k for their attitude.
Honestly think people leaving is because of something they are doing.
Respectfully, I disagree with your core values, and have been on the receiving end of those values. So, I don’t exactly appreciate them, in any remote sense.
Yea, I get that I walked into the lion’s den. lol
Honestly had the same expectation when i started reading all these strong opinions. lol… I was figuring I would find someone who wrote class guides for wowhead / icy veins to be behind some of these forum alts.
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Those people have better things to do than haunt the WoW forums.
Strong opinions by people that do the same content you do.
At this level you’re either making mistakes or doing something if you’re having this many issues with leavers.
The priest poster Hpellepisis is a class guide writer.
Most of those people*
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I have the same question regarding what arbitrary gameplay level we draw the line for being allowed to have an opinion on the content. And I think you’ll find I don’t go profile diving to try to discredit anyone. The only times I bring up experience is when someone makes a comparison between theirs and mine, and only in defense of mine. You’re welcome to check my post history to verify this, if you would like.
Vailinite has all but said that my point about players being carried in keys isn’t worthy because I’m not running +16s. As if this change wouldn’t also have a big impact when someone is being carried in a +6. So where is the line?
The irony is that I don’t even leave keys very often. You can find plenty of keys on my profile that were completed a half hour over time well beyond where a completion run would do me any good. I haven’t left a single key in Dragonflight except in the cases of a mutual disband or someone else having left first. You could count on one hand the number of keys I’ve left first across more than 1,000 PUG keys. I am not so passionately arguing this position because I habitually leave keys.
I am passionately arguing against this because it’s very clear the negative impact this will have on keys of all levels if this change were made. More players would queue up for keys above their capabilities because there would be more players who begrudgingly stay in dead keys if they think the key will end/someone else will leave in less time than the penalty. There will be more toxicity, both from players trying to influence others to leave and from players who want to troll. It will take even more time to wade through good profiles in IO when forming the group.
Frankly I would guess PUG M+ participation would plummet as a result of all these things. I can see some niche benefits to this penalty, but nothing that even remotely counteracts the negatives this would carry for everyone except players looking for free carries and trolls.
But please tell me again about how you could have any idea what my core values are.
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LOLOLOLOL omg you must have been up late trying to come up with that banger of a comeback. Extremely impressive work I’m proud of you
Hmm that must mean I haven’t played this season, real detective you are. Guess if someone takes a season off it means prior season progression is erased. Your highest key done is a laughable +11, I could literally start playing this season tomorrow and surpass your progress within 2 resets purely pugging
Personally I’d be much more embarrassed being over 2 months into a season and only capable of an 11, as opposed to just flat out not playing the season
Nope. I just had to say something super simple because you have zero understanding of the game.
I don’t push mplus. I haven’t even played this character in over a month.
Lucky for me I dont push mplus and even then not taking this season seriously on a toon I haven’t played in a month 
And you talk of my detective work rofl.
Stop acting like this is the first time I’ve talked about the swollen egos on these people that throw hissy fits and leave a group for whatever dreadful reason.
Rejected? No, I’ve not heard a single one and don’t pretend you offered anything other than trying to project the inadequacies of the ego maniacs leaving. If the key times out and everyone is still there? I’d say leave then and shouldn’t be punishable.
Thank you for sharing your experience, would you like to add to the conversation?
Then they get banned for trolling. It’s a lose-lose to be a jerk, it costs you nothing to not be, it’s crazy how far people have devolved mentally.
Eh, maybe. Maybe not, never seen anyone penalized for it before. Still, not sure why you’d want to encourage that, and it’s brought 0 positives to the game.
Weird that you want it not to be by penalizing people if they leave a toxic group.
What makes this group they’re leaving toxic?
Didn’t you know Vailnite is the only one still playing WoW? Soloing all those runs has to be hard.
Also yes they unironically think this, they’ve said multiple times they want higher keys to be a barrier of entry to the forums.
First, just because you’ve said something doesn’t make it true. You’ve offered no evidence that anyone leaving a key is doing so because of their ego.
Second, I’ve not once discounted the possibility that some people are leaving because of this. But while these are the people you want punished, your suggestion casts a much wider net. You reduced the reasons I’ve given for not supporting a penalty down to ego, despite the vast majority of the situations I’ve talked about having nothing to do with that.
You’ve responded to multiple suggestions, so this is verifiably untrue in this thread alone. It’s also completely ridiculous to say every one of my arguments is about ego maniacs, when I haven’t even brought up that argument once except in response to you saying it.
This is the first time I’ve seen you suggest it should be okay to leave once a key goes over time. This is a compromise I can live with so long as we have real protections against players who are well over their head and trolls. I shouldn’t have to spend 40 minutes being verbally abused in a Nokhud to be able to leave.
And do not twist what I’m saying here. I am neither saying nor implying everyone who leaves a key is doing so because someone else is underperforming or trolling. Merely saying that in the times where this is the case, I shouldn’t be expected to be the team player if I’m not extended the same courtesy from the team.
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You call it whatever you want, I call it ego. You don’t have to agree, I don’t care if you do.
Who verified it’s untrue? You? 
I stand by that they’re ego maniacs freaking out and leaving without good reason. You can’t provide a good reason outside the uncommon “emergency” situation, because there isn’t any… finish the dungeon and grow up, it times out… fine, leave.
No, one exception… the key times out, outside of that, penalties.
Like you’ve twisted what I’ve said, don’t be a hypocrite.
You are claiming this is the case, you back it up. You vomitting claims doesn’t mean others have to run around disproving your worthless drivel or you are correct.
BG’s would like a word with you. “No repercussion for my actions or ill cry its not fair, wahhhh”
BACK WHAT UP? My opinion? That these people have massive egos? Most of you do, hell most people in general have massive egos… y’all are perfect examples, defending bad behavior and blaming the people who are being abandoned and screwed over, being forced to lower a key.
Your claim about ego causing people to leave keys. Though it seems clear you are incapable of providing this evidence since you have refused time and again to do so.
Again, you are a prime example of a massive ego.
You’re more worried about the potential loss of time, so you screw 4 other people over and the host’s gotta lower the key, if that’s not a massive ego… what is? Then again, I don’t expect someone with an ego as massive and undeserved as your own to recognize his own reality. Your time isn’t special.