If you check the forums, you’ll find times where people were actioned despite that ‘vote’ because they chose to do so to people because of the country they reside in. As stated, it’s something they selectively enforce and for some things it’s harder to substantiate the way unless explicitly stated.
and if they actually followed the game rules, they’d need to have a good reason to do so. Currently they do not.
It is, it prevents them from doing the dungeon, quest, and that gameplay.
There’s quite a few definitions. Not even that one is ever enforced, ftr.
Which is still a valid reason lol. Again, a group of people decided they no longer wanted to play with an individual. Also, nothing is being selectively enforced, this is 100% within the rules established.
I get kicked out of a lot of dungeons just for being an Oceanic player. Like seriously, 30 minutes of doing something else is better than 30 minutes of dealing with toxic behaviour by a group who didn’t want me there.
They do not need a good reason to kick someone out of a dungeon. They can chose to remove someone from the group, assuming the vote-kick passes. It is not against the In-Game Code of Conduct to initiate a vote-kick from the dungeon.
I’ve seen people banned for shutting down a zone or quest hub, it’s been a while but if it’s serious they take action. Wowhead has posted articles of it happening too so you can find proof there.
Again though I don’t see in the ToS or any specific help articles where it states kicking someone is disrupting their game. It only prevents them from doing the quest in the moment they can continue to play and do other things.
It just seems to me that you, the OP, and many other people making posts about vote kicking are using their own interpretation of the rules or even imagining rules that don’t exist.
Following the rules, placed in game, by the developers you can be kicked for any reason if the majority chooses to. Don’t like it then do a follower dungeon or make your own group.
The person you and I are replying to is making stuff up, I’ve asked multiple times for them to actually post or tell me what they have read specifically but all they say is “it’s in some rules somewhere trust me bro.”
I’m done interacting with them. I’m sure we’ll all see this same thread posted tomorrow anyways lol
Groups are empowered to manage their own members through the vote-kick system. If the majority of the group feels a player should be removed, they can initiate a vote-kick to remove them. The system is entirely under the control of our players. Players may choose to remove any other player from the group for any reason, provided the vote to kick passes.
Even a quote from Vrakthris on the issue when people came to Customer Support
I went back to playing the game because I accomplished what I set out to do. Since it wasn’t obvious and that’s on me, I posted my feedback on the voting system while I waited out the debuff.
I responded to a few people at the start because I appreciated hearing feedback on my suggestions. I’m not under any delusion that my suggestions are the best ones possible to be implemented but since I can give my feedback I did and will continue to do so.
I don’t have the time to post from alts to try and game the system and keep the discussion going. I’m not invested enough to do something like that. I don’t know how I was shut down but if I was, okey dokey. Haha.
Anyway, my next queue just popped. Have a good one!
Because the same people that think everything are just fine are only here to troll. If everything was just fine there wouldn’t be these threads popping up over and over again with the same responders saying the same tired garbage. “Every reason is to kick is a valid reason”, “Nobody get’s kicked for no reason”, “You left the group you deserve the debuff”, “you’re just butthurt you got kicked and now you’re complaining on the forums” etc. etc. etc. None of those responses and others like it are constructive at all. The fact of the matter is, Blizzard recently changed how Dungeon Deserter functions and many players are feeling unintended consequences of the change that is creating more problems with the player base than the problem it was intended to solve. Way too many people’s responses are the equivalent to tell someone to cry more instead of anything constructive. I started a thread here the other day in good faith because I was noticing an issue in game and I got a lot of support, but nobody that disagreed with me gave me any type of response other than the same repeated unconstructive trash responses. People disagreeing in good faith will see that there is an issue and try to find a middle ground or some kind of constructive solution. Instead a lot of what I’m seeing are trolls repeating the same blue post from a couple weeks ago and saying it’s a settled issue. Well it’s clearly not a settled issue because Dungeon Deserter and vote kicks have different consequences, and more severe consequences than have ever been implemented in the game until TWW and a lot of the player base doesn’t like it because jerks are using vote kicks to waste people’s time. It’s not just a 30 minutes debuff. It’s the time you waited for the first dungeon, it the 30 minutes, and it’s the time you had to wait for the second dungeon. If you are dps that’s an hour of your time wasted usually for very trivial reasons. You can’t even say “brb bio I’ll catch up” without getting kicked anymore. 10 years ago you could do that no problem as long as you didn’t take too long. As someone who has missed a lot of ques simply getting up to pee really fast DPS with long wait times tends to try to hold it until after you are in a group and done with the dungeon run and sometimes you just can’t. It’s like tanks and healers expected us to have a bottle under our desk or a colostomy bag or something. Nobody should be getting a 30 minute penalty for having to pee. But almost every group I am in and I see something like that someone instantly initiates a kick and if it’s a dps the vote will be successful because everyone knows you’ll get another instantly. If you don’t want to wait and kick me for peeing fun. But don’t give me a freaking 30 minute penalty for it for Christs sake. How in gods name is that a difficult concept for anybody to understand? Seriously. The only logical thing to me is the people perfectly okay with that kind of behavior and giving people a 30 minutes penalty don’t have jobs, they are 40 years old living in their mothers basement, and they do in fact have a bottle under their desk to pee in.
What was wrong with how it functioned in DF? I’ve heard that there was a problem for two weeks in at launch with one dungeon and it’s not even a problem anymore. Why do we now have to have the system changed and the penalties increased because one dungeon was a problem for two weeks? That kind of sounds like throwing the baby out with the bath water.
You can always be assured of comments if you make a post about the Vote Kick.
Is there anything new? Unlikely. And the OP’s post is typical of it, coming up with a set of ‘conditions’ that would be difficult to implement and even more impossible to have work.
And this is the major point. We are not obligated to play with anyone. We aren’t forced to group for quests, or farming or pvp or any other ingame activity. We don’t have to. Its our one real area of choice in a game otherwise totally controlled by Blizzard. We can choose to play with the 4 other people (or howe ever many it may be for the style of play); we can leave the group, or we can reach a joint decision to remove one or more people. If you think about it, its a kind of democracy at work. One person cant hold control of an activity over the other 4; if they decided to remove that one person by a consensus, they can.
Humans being humans, occasionally they do something mean or unreasonable. No system can assess a person’s ethical decisions or state of mind or judgment. All it can do is give them as much room to move as possible, and leave it up to them.
That’s a wall of text, ended with an insult but I’ll still reply.
Threads keep popping up with no good solutions. While I don’t think it’s a problem I would still be open to seeing the system change…. IF the change is good one they can’t be abused.
But no one starting these threads ever gives a specific idea for a fix, it’s just “make the system better.”
Or if they do give a fix it’s so cleverly open to abuse that it’s probably worse than the current system.
And to address your last no I am not living in my mothers basement, I do have a job, but I don’t have a problem with the system because like so many other people have stated we aren’t getting kicked.
If someone is getting kicked frequently then something is going on, whether they want to admit it or not people are not randomly kicking strangers from a group over and over again just for fun
The benefits of being the tank.
If they even identify the source of the lag as me being leader, which most don’t (they just say “omg lag”), they know they’d spend longer waiting for the next tank than just finishing the dungeon.
