I agree. Way too many people in the community feel that strangers should be forced to play with them, and then they run crying to the forums at the first sign they aren’t getting their way.
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When we’ve tinkered with the Mind Amplification Dish to get its duration/cooldown to a better ratio they’ll have no choice.
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I see this quite often in lfd and nobody has gotten kicked for it.
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I did this yesterday and was not kicked.
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Yeah again for that story there is something they’re leaving out. Like taking 4 bios during a 15 minute dungeon run.
As a tank I’ve had people say “sorry brb dog wants out,” and I simply keep going and toss out a reply “okay we’ll wait for you at the last boss,” just to ensure they get credit for the run because I am not sure how that works to be honest.
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Theyre probably not saying anything and expecting the group to know that they arent just permanently afk being a leech and will eventually return.
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I was disconnected from the game my guy cause something went wrong with my internet.
How did you read that as me logging off? oof.
It’s fine the way it is. But let’s see what hairbrained reasons you come up with compared to the other million threads on this.
The kick feature is intended for people to be able to boot folks they don’t want in a group for whatever reason. Still yet to see people who make claims like yours provide any kind of credible proof there is an epidemic of people kicking for the lulz. All amounts to “trust me bro” anecdote and people ultimately telling on themselves that they deserved the kick.
Funny because I’ve had the exact opposite experience and can still count on one hand how many questionable kicks I’ve seen over the past 5 years at least and still have fingers left over. I’ve seen a few I don’t agree with, but I’ve yet to see any that would rise to the level abuse. Not since the leaver penalty was put in place. You say you understand why the leaver penalty exists, yet you’re complaining about it. This tells me you don’t truly understand why it’s a thing.
As for the whole punishing new people thing, there are times when yes a new person needs to learn the hard way not to do certain things. If they can’t cut it then they just can’t cut it and need to be removed. You have no right to force people to keep you in a group.
No such thing as abusing the kick feature. Not now after the leaver debuff was put in place. Prior to the existence of the leaver debuff, people would abuse the system and hold groups hostage by refusing to move, or try to wipe the group and over and over to get kicked because “I’m not doing Oculus” or something similar. So if you want to whine about the penalty, get mad at those people who made it necessary to start with. Sucks when you get kicked or get the penalty but it is what it is. I’ve ate the penalty before when my internet dipped and I got booted for being offline. Do something else for 30 minutes.
On these points, let’s assume for a moment blizzard listened to people like yourself and wanted to give people “recourse” for so called kick abuse.
-First what are we calling kick abuse? Define what constitutes a bad kick.
-Second, what “recourse” would you want to give people for being kicked from the group should the kick be determined to be bad?
-Third, if there is not enough information about the kick available to determine if it was good or bad, what do you propose they do?
You throw around alot of vague terms that are more open-ended than a promise from a politician. You haven’t defined anything yet you expect people get behind changes that effect EVERYONE. You’ve also yet to provide one single shred of verifiable evidence of people kicking for the lulz. 99% of all kicks know exactly why they were kicked and it was deserved. The only reason so many people are whining about the kick system now is because they’re being kicked and instead of addressing why they’re being kicked, they want to be given special privileges and treatment. Don’t do stuff to be kicked and you won’t have to worry about it.
Or how about we leave it as is and not overly complicate the matter.
This made me laugh and is one of the many reasons no one should take you seriously. You complained earlier about how blizzard uses too much automation in their moderation processes, yet are demanding something that requires automation you say you hate. This tells me you don’t have an issue with automation so long as it benefits you. The last thing we need is AI chat bots trying to hand out penalties because Johnny 2x4 insulted another DPS in the group because “OMG why are you playing (non-meta class here) when they’re garbage” and the other DPS rightfully tells him to “(expletive here) off”.
Let me get this straight. You seriously expect people to have to carry a guy for up to 10 minutes and essentially play a man down when some instances don’t even last a full 10 minutes. What if said person is the tank or healer that suddenly went AFK? Do you seriously expect people to wait 5 or 10 minutes before they can boot the guy and get a replacement?
While I don’t mind giving people a minute or two to see if they reconnect, by no means should this be forced on people. I feel for folks who have issues that disconnect them, especially because I’ve been there myself too, however it is NOT the job of those other people to cater to that dude. If they want to boot him and find someone who can stay connected, they have every right to do it. About a month and a half ago now my internet dipped in the middle of a run on my warrior and I got booted. Was it irritating, absolutely it was. But I don’t blame them for booting me because they don’t know me from Adam and had no idea if I was coming back or not. Instead of pitching a fit about it I just did something else for awhile.
In order to vote kick someone you have to right click person’s frame to initiate the vote to start with. All these do is overly complicate the process to try and punish groups for daring to exorcise their right to boot someone.
And yet again you complained about how blizzard uses too much automation in their customer support, yet are openly advocating for more automation in their customer support moderation. Instead of adding more automation, how about we have actual GMs that can answer tickets and leave the vote kicking to the groups to determine who they want in group and who they don’t.
What’s infuriating to me is people like yourself who come on here and talk about how there’s this big vote kicking epidemic of people kicking folks purely for the lulz and crying victim, when not only are 99% of the kicks deserved, but you also provide ZERO evidence of said problem. The only evidences you give amount to “trust me bro” in the form of anecdote which is NOT proof of anything on its own. Point blank your “solutions” are merely nit picks from people who think they should be given special privileges to be obnoxious to their groups with no consequences.
If you get kicked once or twice, it’s possible you just had bad groups. However if you’re getting kicked 3 or more times in a short while, it’s 100% a pebcak problem on your end. If people constantly try to vote kick other people, their ability to call kicks is steadily diminished until they start completing runs without having called a kick. You also can’t kick in combat either, so there are some safeguards in place.
All of that said, blizzard isn’t going to play mommy and daddy to groups by holding your hand and saying “let your brother/sister play with you or else.” If my group and I get a lvl 11 twink that’s deliberately trying to oneshot everything in timewalking and we want to boot him because we actually want to play and be able to cast more than one spell per boss, we have every right to boot the guy. You have zero inherent right to make people keep you in a group. If they don’t want you there, they have a right to boot you. I’ve seen a few kicks I didn’t agree with, but just because I didn’t agree with the kick doesn’t magically mean it’s a bad kick or the group didn’t have a right to boot that person.
If you’re seeing the wrong end of the vote kick system enough that you’re making threads like this, it’s 100% a problem on your end. Don’t do stuff to annoy people and get kicked and 99% of the time you won’t have to worry.
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I think vote kick should be lowered to only 2 votes required.
I think leaving it at 3 is fine, but if the person has been away or offline long enough to get flagged as AFK, it should only take 1.
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How are the other 4 people in your group supposed to know you will be returning?
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Its always the same type of person who gets vote kicked isn’t that weird?
Imagine if someone got kicked out of every group and it was always the groups fault.
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I started one the other day suggesting that we get rid of dungeon deserter all together. That way players can still kick for any reason as that would be too hard to police unjust kicks and players don’t have to stay in a wipe fest. I don’t think players should be penalized for leaving a wipe fest. I definitely don’t think players should get penalized for being kicked because they announced they needed 3 minutes to pee as an example of an unjust removal. It’s also my understanding that they changed how dungeon deserter gets applied a few months ago because of one dungeon. We have seen this before. That dungeon was called Oculus. Even the Dungeon Deserter debuff wasn’t enough to encourage players to stay in that dungeon because the final fight was often times a wipe fest and the debuff was a better alternative than dying on the last boss over and over again. Did Blizzard make it so people got the debuff if they got kicked? No they did not. They added an additional bag of goods to encourage players to stay. Changing the whole system was unnecessary and has clearly had longer lasting consequences than the problem it was intended to fix. Yes, sometimes players would do things to intentionally get kicked so they didn’t get the debuff. Often that was because the run turned into a wipe fest. Making it so people that aren’t engaging in that behavior also have to deal with a punishment has not been a good solution. That’s why these threads keep popping up. I suggested removing dungeon deserter altogether. I rarely if ever get kicked. I made my thread a few days ago partly because of the amount of times I’ve been in a group and seen a kick I thought was unjust that I voted against the kick, but got out voted by players that are impatient and selfish. A few hours earlier I did get kicked from a group and I did some thinking on the matter. The reason I got kicked was because in a timewalking dungeon (Strath front gate) the tank died twice on the first pull causing wipes. I figured maybe the healer wasn’t ready, we just got started so I figured whatever lets just regroup and it will be fine. It wasn’t fine. He died twice more on trash before we even got to a boss. Causing two more wipes. Then we got to the boss, Timmy or whatever his name was and he died again but we finished the boss. Then he died again on the trash before we even got into the building Balnazaar was in causing another wipe. At that point I initiated a vote kick. It didn’t pass, and no they weren’t all in a guild I looked first. A few seconds later I got kicked. I messaged one of the other players and asked why they did it. They said “We didn’t want to wait in que for another tank”. I didn’t care I got removed from the dungeon, I wanted out anyway. But, I should not be getting a debuff for that. When a run is that bad players should be able to leave on their own without the 30 minute debuff. Removing dungeon deserter would stop players from engaging in toxic behavior for the purpose of getting kicked before they added it for players kicked. It would also not unfairly punish players who really haven’t done anything wrong. I’ve seen players kicked for asking for a dispel Blackrock caverns after the forge boss when the trash can give you a magic debuff that if you move it does damage. A player asked for a dispel because they couldn’t catch up to the group without it killing them because they cannot move and the group instead vote kicked them. It wasn’t me, I main a ret, I can just bubble if I need to and I didn’t vote for the kick because that’s bs and the healer need to do their job. In my opinion that player should not be getting a 30 minute debuff for that. The players that kicked him should have a one week account wide ban for that type of behavior. All things that get solved if dungeon deserter does not exist. I’ve seen similar things happen with deadmines in the anniversary event. I’ve seen people get kicked for asking for a debuff in the room with the goblin boss where you get a magic fire Dot. I saw it the other day and I asked the group why they kicked the person. They said “they were complaining”. I told them no they weren’t they couldn’t get that Dot off themselves they needed the healer to do it and they healer wasn’t doing it. All I got was “lol whatever”. Either remove dungeon deserter, or start going through combat and chat logs and start handing out suspensions to player engaging in that type of trolling behavior. One is a lot less work and money for Blizzard than the other.
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Yes! I don’t think it’s too much to ask for someone to jump or move once in a while, even if they are actally guarding a flag. Plus i don’t ever see somone kicked in AB at the flag. However, if they never leave start zone they should be able to respond to a question or be kicked by one person if they have done nothing for 5 minutes.
Anyone logged off, should be able to be kicked by one person after 5 minutes. Or obviously, 3 imediatelty.
This thread is about LFD, not PvP.
You cant kick people from pvp. Not unless an entire team mass reports them.
Even then it doesn’t kick them it puts them on something like a 30s-60s timer to engage in combat.
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Agreed.
In 7 years of play I think I could count the justified kicks on less than two hands that I saw after I started healing and was actually paying attention to all four players.
This ‘no reason’ crap is just that…crap.
…which that sort of trash ‘reason’ accounts for at least 90% of the kicks I witnessed.
pretty nearly ALL of the ‘bad’ behavior I saw…see…in dungeons IS the kick abuses on players who didnt do anything to warrant being removed from group.
it was bad enough and often enough that I started hating even signing up for dungeons and eventually just quit healing for the malcontents entirely.
Thats for afk. If they get mass reported for their name or one of the other options it logs them out. Ive seen those epic bg premades mass report people doing things like capping snowfall or docks in IOC and resetting glaives for the enemy team.
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