You can rock it with determination.
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Iâd really like to see some of those sweet sweet BC looks.
The runic tattoos, especially, are something I really feel are missing. Iâd love to see more of the âblood magicâ angle that we only really get with blood elves. That thread has been dangling since MOP, damnit.
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Actually the lore and visuals do agree with the âProâ side.
As mentioned multiple times the last few days: The population is growing due to them accepting new members (which can be seen in-game and also has been stated by Blizzard), and we have multiple instances of proof that magic infusion doesnât always alter the individualâs body. Thereâs also already ways to bypass âvisual distinctionâ meaning that ship has sailed.
I really do respect that at least a few âAntiâ individuals have flat out admitted that the lore allows Void Elves to have the Blood Elf hair options and strictly commit to the visual distinction argument.
Itâs the only âvalidâ argument that can be made although itâs still not entirely solid for reasons as mentioned, but itâs at least far more genuine.
I wish you the best 
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Yes, the dwarves sent a bunch of dwarves. Iâm not sure that a) cavalry has ever been stated to be any more effective than anything else, if anything I would actually assume artillery and riflemen would be the most effective and b) that the fact what we saw in WC3 was in some way representative of their lore contribution, the only dwarven units in WC3 were riflemen, gryphon riders (who are cavalry), mountain kings and mortar teams and they were all present.
The blood elves didnât join the Horde until after the opening of the dark portal. Major campaigns that included Stormwind of that period that I can think of include: Mt Hyjal (7th Legion), possibly helping Garithos, the Silithis campaign, the various Blackrock Mountain campaigns, the assault on Naxxaramas (where they literally could have diverted their troops afterwards) and literally every Alliance questing zone.
- None of the Alliance factions were âbarely holding onâ. They all faced threats, but unlike the blood elves they hadnât lost the vast majority of their populace and werenât on the absolute brink of collapse.
- The Horde managed to provide support and they were Iâd say in a worse off position than the Alliance after the Third War. They did what was right, they helped a noble people who were on the absolute edge of extinction.
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No they donât 
Another flavor of is different then a name change when it involves nearly being turned into Ethereals
A bold claim to say the visuals agree when here you are having to hope / request visuals that intentionally werenât given nor fit VEs.
So then be bald or wear a helmet enjoy.
Do you have trouble knowing when someones talking about the hair options you desperately want?
I ask because you seem to mistake conversations in the past
I agree VEs shouldnât have access to natural hair colors, however as you can see I quoted myself the conversation was about the lore and visuals of HEs being with BEs not really a conversation about the hair colors rn.
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I see that a set designed to be as similar as possible is -gasp- very similar!
Which is why Iâd like to see blood elves and void elves get customizations that are distinct from each other and reflecting their lore-friendly niches going forward. But a bit of overlap isnât going to bother me any more than I keeled over when undead got female human hairstyles. Which, again, is my personal stance. I respect that itâs more important to you. I just happen to disagree about the relative importance of uniqueness.
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A bit of overlap already happened, quite a bit actually which is why continued overlap is the issue
Which is fine
But then you say stuff like this and I find it to be untrue because you are actively asking for options that visually will bring you to look like a Blood Elf completely.
The fact you donât value visual distinction is recognized, its the comments about maintaining unique options going forward, and not wanting BE options that I find to be untrue, if youâre asking for to look like a BE because you keep saying its not an issue for you and then turn around and say you arenât asking for BE options and hope they get unique options, I find it questionable enough to point out to you.
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I donât know about the other posters, but my stance on it is that I donât want more lazy overlap, but I donât mind it. Itâs like going to the coffee shop, asking for a vanilla latte, only to be told theyâre out of the syrup. Iâm still happy with my latte, but really would have preferred vanilla.
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What am I actively asking for that bothers you, Lann?
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And Iâd have preferred that coffee shop hadnât come over to mine and stolen my recipe.
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This is where the arguments break down for me. Thereâs repetition of âmy lookâ and âour aestheticâ when itâs not really yours. Blizzard pulled void elves out of the twisting nether (huehuehuehue), and while people might not agree, itâs their game and their vision.
Something canât be stolen when weâre all paying $15 to borrow the toys. I get the frustration, but these reasons it come across as way too personal to be taken seriously.
Opinion from an outsider looking in from the pro and anti side of all of this. Trust me when I say the HE dude in this thread is also way too emotionally invested in his own vision of what the game should be.
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The BE visual theme that shouldnât be on the table for continued requests.
You are asking for it when you ask for visual that allows you to look like a BE.
Itâs not an issue that this is your stance I find it an issue that one second you own it and then the next your try to decorate it like thats not what youâre doing with statements like
When it comes down to it youâll own it and thats great but then every other thread every other comment your back to using language that tries to disguise the fact that what you want is doing x.
If youâre asking for more options that visually brings you to be identical to BEs, that is the BE visual theme youâre asking for, and when called on it youâll admit that, but then two seconds later youâll be telling someone else âI want more unique options only, not interested in BE stuffâ and yes I know what you mean youâre trying to disguise the fact that somehow the shade of blonde from humans isnât the same as BEs, but the generic fantasy Elf visual theme is BEs.
Your desires for the game donât add up with mine clearly and that is completely fine, I just find it worthy of calling out that you keep trying to disguise what youâre doing, because arguably it is language used to drive your narrative.
If I say I want a whole new team for this project but that requires firing the current team or at least not paying them for the project because I want a new team, I am still firing that team basically. I can go âoh Iâm not firing themâ all I want but I am asking for a new team so yeah I am sort of firing them.
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And VEs donât have natural hair I agree that was their intention for their game and their vision.
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Itâs certainly not my intent to ask for blood elf âstuffâ on Allianceside.
I have Hordeside for that.
I⌠Donât think Iâve ever tried to âdisguise what Iâm doingâ. I feel like Iâm usually pretty straightforward. I like customizations. I want more. You can find me advocating for pink, white and black hair. And occasionally Alliance hair styles shared around. Generally for cooler tones to contrast with blood elf warm ones. More exciting void stuff for void elves. No more damn copy pastes.
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Please show me where I said Velves should have natural hair .
Youâd be better off if you stop seeing every person who isnât thrashing against design as your enemy.
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Whether or not I am the king of the world of warcraft and wear a shiny hat, I am entitled to an opinion of a game I have played for nearly 20 years.
May not be the king, but youâre the best dressed orc on this forum. 
So your stance is to not support natural hair colors on VEs then? That is great
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The glasses alone entitle you to being the King of World of Warcraft.
âŚOr at least an opinion.
None of those say for natural hair colors for velves, though.
Itâs just going to happen that we get more hair colors in general. Where Blizzard wants to take it is unknown, but I might actually play a velf if they get one of those âoil slickâ hairs someone mocked up for the hair thread.
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