A most obvious example of bias because they ignored your original point on what has already been done. People can want what they want but still acknowledge the other sides POV, like people who say they want natural hair colors but acknowledge that people who value visual distinction have a point in it take that last bit of visuals from BEs.
People not long back were mocking my idea of feeling the HE community has had a “win” all the HE fans “oh he’s keeping track of ‘wins’ why would that be necessary” of course they want to ignore what’s been done because it benefits them to not acknowledge it.
I think it’s important to point out what’s been done because it should have impact on who’s heard moving forward, people who value visual distinction, BE fans etc. and like you said to reduce it to “it’s just hair” not only ignores what’s been done previously but is disingenuous.
Which is what Blizzard decided. Before VEs released, a lot of HE fans were asking for a remodel (because BE fans kept touting about wanting the same model), then when different models were suggested/examples made, those same BE fans said ‘how dare you ask to be given a fresh new model?! We deserve it instead!’
There honestly isn’t any worth trying to have a discussion with types like that.
Blizzard are the ones who decided to use the exact same model, yet for some reason there’s people throwing their ire at HE fans who simply have been wanting HEs the whole time but are trying to make do with what Blizzard implements (ok if we are getting VEs instead of HEs then maybe we can get HE customization, etc).
I don’t think there’s anything that’s wrong with trying to work within the frameworks Blizzard is allowing, and they’ve said they ultimately may do more HE customizations in the future so that’s honestly the only green-light needed for HE fans to continue making what requests they wish tbh.
Trying to paint it as HE fans wanting an exact copy isn’t correct because it’s Blizzard who are the ones that decided to use the same model, and it’s Blizzard that decided to use the same skin tones. Not sure why those who oppose all this ‘copying’ aren’t throwing any ire at Blizzard but instead towards the players.
Even Forsaken received Black/White/Blonde/Brown hair color customization, when previously they had none.
Hair colors are way more fluid between the different races than things like Skin tones (you do not see peachy looking Forsaken or Draenei for example, but they all have some form of white, black, brown, blonde hair colors).
Attributing hair colors to the same ‘key cosmetic feature’ as something like skin tones is frankly incorrect, because the game shows they aren’t lauded the same way.
I don’t think that it is entirely not baised on it being on VE, it might indicate through other means then just them. They also said that HE as a race is not off the table.
I kinda agree to some extent with BE pro’s about VE being too close to BE’s in appearance. I personally feel it dilutes the void aspect of the race (since it is named Void elves and is less ambiguous then say dwarves and trolls) I think a new race is the best route for this to solve it indirectly.
There’s no chance they’re going to add HE as a race once the Shadowlands customizations came out, that comment was made before the new Shadowlands customizations. The same was said for Wildhammer Dwarves too ‘they aren’t off the table’ until the SL customizations released where Ion literally on Blizzcon stage is like “now you can make your Wildhammer Dwarf!”
A new race won’t be coming so only customizations can fit. Even if people do feel that VE are too close to BEs, Blizzard already gave their opinion on the matter by showing that HE is going to be shared between them, and more may come in the future.
You could’ve said this about skin color too until Blizzard added that in. “The game does reinforce VEs don’t have human skin tones” - pre SL.
It’s just another way to phrase ‘it not being in the game now means it’s not ever going to be’ which is the point of asking for it in the first place - because it isn’t in the game right now.
I don’t see anyone still asking for blue eyes or human skin tones on VEs, do you?
Context man, a race of HE nor WH dwarves won’t ever come because the SL customizations are treated to be those ‘new races’. Same for the different Troll tribes, eg Sand Trolls are simply the tan Troll skin. That’s how Blizzard defined those new options, just like the HE options given to BEs and VEs for players to play out HEs if they wish to, with more potentially coming in the future.
I’m not arguing her point I’m arguing your statement. Which btw, it took a lot of organizing and effort from HE fans to eventually have Blizzard re-examine the conversation about HE customization to BE/VE, so I doubt any of those changes would’ve came had that group been silent about it.
1 Thing is, there was a dev statement that said that “wildhammer” customizations isn’t actually wildhammer dwarves, they are still technically ironforge dwarves with some tats.
2nd a true high elf won’t be dabbling in the void, and a elf using the void would be altered in a way, having a natural looking “void elf” dilutes from the void theme as being a hard to control currenting type of magic.
And this isn’t talking context, the race, unlike dwarves, is called “VOID Elves” it’s in the name.
Dwarves is called dwarves (unless they are dark irons, then they are dark iron dwarves in game, same with the trolls)
I’m operating under the idea that there’s always going to be customization requests for fans of each race, and thus more customization options are going to be added in the future regardless.
Even with the options player races have today, you will still see BE fans, Human fans, NE fans, Dwarf fans, Orc fans, Troll fans, Undead fans, etc etc all are asking for more customization options alongside those races that have very few (NB/LFD, etc).
I’m operating under the idea that it’s normal to keep asking for more options and that this subtext of ‘you already got a lot, stop asking for more’ is simply ridiculous as I do not see these same people going to other thread races that have received customization options and badgering them to stop asking for more of any particular thing.
Can you show me to this statement? Because since SL customizations came to be, Ion literally saying so on stage, Steve Danuser also commenting that’s what they were soon after Blizzcon or at Blizzcon, I haven’t seen a dev statement saying they’re otherwise.
This is exaggerative, as most Helfers never asked for a new model because they wanted the “High elves” they’ve been playing with on the alliance for all these years and were constantly arguing that their eye color, and history with their faction were more than enough to serve as a distinction between the two groups.
Many rejoiced with the introduction of Void elves, and even more rejoined with the High elf customizations. More and more has been taken away, and what do the Blood elves have to show for it besides a diminished visual identity?
We didn’t decide for them to give you the model either, but you did. You got the model, you got animations, and now you even got the skin color ~ Whether you, individually wanted it or not is not relevant, the fact of the matter is that it happened.
This does not give you the entitlement to handwave those on our side who were not happy with the arrangement by saying you didn’t get the compromise you wanted, so you deserve more. That everyone who might have a problem with it should just deal with it because “it’s just hair” and it’s pretty staggering.
They never out-right said “Yeah we’re adding more HE elf customizations to Void elves” just as they’ve never said they “aren’t adding High elves” but if that’s the hill you want to die on, so be it. If you think that gives you the opportunity to ask for more, and more Blood elf themes you better be prepared to face a response from the community you’re poaching from.
Ideally HE fans do want an exact copy of Blood elves, for many years in fact. You can’t keep using this argument that you didn’t want a Blood elf copy, but since Blizzard gave some of their themes, you now deserve a Blood elf copy. This isn’t about casting any group in a bad light, it’s about acknowledging the very real, and valid problems people have with this idea.
Imagine acknowledging the problem people have with cloning their character race, but because “Blizzard” didn’t give you the compromise then claim you deserve a clone of their race, and anyone who disagrees is unreasonable.