All it is now is them wanting to push the high elf aesthetic which has already mostly been given to void elves. No one cares about new themes and sub categories of blood elves. They just want to keep the very few customization options that are still there so we are quibbling about who gets light blue hair and who gets powder blue. The only thing this has convinced me is how toxic the player base has become and I’m just feeling really sad. I love this game but I see why people are leaving to greener pastures.
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Gotta spend more time in-game with great guildies/friends and less on forums 
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Two things:
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Headcanon is NOT lore, is just that: widly speculative stuff said by players, ergo, it comes from somewhere BUT it goes nowhere. Cause is not official and can go the complete opposite way those players believe it will go.
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The Sunwell as a source IS relevant. This is wildly different to say the Belves are THE “Light” focused elves in the game. Especially when the devs had the chance to do as you guys SPECULATE and ignored it in favor of saying “No, the golden eyed stuff is NOT because of the Sunwell, just happens in individuals REALLY devoted to the Holy Light and no other elf.” In other words: the very owners of the lore decided againts going this route when they could have used it, you know why? Because the very lore limits their options if they take this way.
Let me elaborate: the Sunwell irradiates ANY thalassian speaking elf, regardless of their place in the cosmos (yes, apparently even Alleria managed to felt it in the 1000 years she spent away from Azeroth as per “A thousand years of war”). This means ALL the elves get affected by it. Ergo, if the Sunwell “Lightforges” the elves, not only the Belves but the Helves TOO would become “Lightforged” individuals -and I guess with the plans of making the VOID elves the playable version of “High elves” on Alliance, this development would become problematic. Cause then how to deny those Light customizations to Void elves? How not to go to new aberrant lore ways?-
I mean the whole lore base regarding Calia is stupid enough. And there we don´t have the literal “mix and get an explosion as result” cosmological energies. imagine that with Velves.
So, nope. As per the most current canon lore sources -the words of the developers in this case-, the Sunwell does NOT Lightforge the elves.
Also giving more prominence to only ONE of the two components in the mix making the Sunwell IS reductive. I repeat: when did the Belves forgot to use arcane? Why should Light affect them but Arcane NOT affect them?
For people who claims to work towards an actual “open minded” goal, you guys love too much to cut corners in the Belf side of the fence.
Dude, remind us again in which faction is the Holy Light a prominent theme, again? Remind us who were the prominent “Paladins” since WC1,again?
Do you see the irony on your own comment? Good job, your suggestions make the issue of “borderline looks human” issue in the Belves even worse. Cause as a Horde player, when I think about THE HORDE i don´t think about the freaking HOLY LIGHT. I think about shamanism, undead stuff (I mean the original race whose spiritual practices were VERY related to “death” were the Tauren), elemental worship, etc.
Why do you think I rather the devs pick on the Blood Magic Theme? Cause with it´s Orc and Troll roots, is supremely HORDISH. Not more “Alliance stuff randomly put on this Horde race”, ffs!!! No more “Belves DON´T belong in muh Hurde cause look, only themes relevant in the Alliance!!”
The only actual innovative good idea you have mentioned is the phoenix one -and that because it´s more elemental stuff-, but the rest? God, no!! Certainly NOT to put a label in the Belf race.
And you shouldn´t, your grasp on the lore is atrocious. Certainly NOT expansive, but actually reductive. And it makes the “Belves look and seem like regular elves, so NOT Horde!!” isssue waaay worse.
Incorrect!!! The Sunwell is NOT the canon lore source for the Golden eyes. If it were, ALL the Belf NPCs would sport Golden eyes. Heck, the Alliance High Elf NPCs would get those too, considering they get irradiated too (no, distance has nothing to do with this. Distance literally doesn´t matter regarding the parasitic bond the elves have with it).
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Please tell that to Jeremy Feasel then because he literally said in an interview that was the reason.
TradeChat: We saw that there will be golden eyes for blood elves. Will there be some sort of quest to explain the lore of that, or it is just like “bam, you got yellow eyes if you want them now”?
Jeremy Feasel: So the quest to explain that actually happened way back in Sunwell Plateau when Anveena sacrificed herself to cleanse the Sunwell. That’s what caused the blood elves to finally lose their fel energy and gain these sort of golden eyes, and you’ll start to see that a little bit with some of the paladin and priest blood elf NPCs that are going to be showing up in Battle for Azeroth. They’ll have the golden eyes, and then of course the customization option will be available for players because the storyline says that that’s where they should be now. But if you want to keep your green eyes because you’re a blood elf warlock and that feels right, you do you.
EDIT: source
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I’m sorry, but this is why the ‘staunch defenders for BE thematics/visuals’ etc I can’t believe so seriously. Since these are news I would assume most here would be on top of honestly if trying to be very fervently against something.
And with that, goodnight!
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Read again… the dude simply says “Light let the Belves LOSE their fel enery”. It is never said in the interview the Light IS infusing the elves to the point it override Fel and replaced it. Heck, he explicitly mentions paladin and priests NPCs as the ones that would get canonically the golden eyes. Why do you think?
Simple, they are the ones actually channeling AND devoting to it. The rest? not so much. Heck, apparently people could have their “warlocks” keep their fel green and that would be ok. This wouldn´t be possible if the effects of the Light were as “strong” as you people think. It would be either golden or golden, no middle stance.
The Light cleaned the slot, ergo… it left the possibility open so other magical sources affect the elves. Perfect neutralization reaction.
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You know, you really ought to understand what they’re saying before you pretend you scored a point.
As Ariel says, sunwell didn’t give golden eyes, sunwell cleansing helped get rid of the green tint, light users like priests and pallies got gold eyes from using the light.
But it’s ok, everyone makes mistakes, and if you don’t go off on an incorrect gotcha you don’t end up looking silly like you did here.
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Indeed, it always boggles my mind the way some people take a simple difference of opinions on game preferences revolving around pixel elves and decide that they need to bludgeon the people who prefer visual distinction or more variety over just spreading the same appearances all over as if they were lesser human being who have a moral failing to them.
I can’t imagine that it’s a good look to the people looking in from the outside.
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Let’s not be hastey now…
Some of us just want more void based options.
I don’t mind that idea at all.
Still think you’re a bit too hostile in general. But credit where it’s due that is a good idea for belves.
I’m still getting my list ready…
But one I’d love to see is something to represent the blood magic from MoP.
Just not sure how to implement it.
Also orange or amber eyes.
I also wanted blue and purple eyes… but I got those already for my Belf.
You’re still being hostile. You want the hostility to stop you’d need to make that choice on your own side. You can’t control them but you can control how you post.
I don’t blame them for being a bit irate with the words you used above.
I hope you post it… whether thats here or otherwise.
I don’t much care how you view me, but I’m always interested in what others are looking for while I make my own lists.
I have ample access to what most of the Pro-Belf regulars have requested over the years… Few helf-pros offer up much that either adds to that list or is really of interest. (half of it is just an attempt to be a jerk to the other side.)
Honestly, while I see the Light as one of the Blood Elven themes… going too far with it is so off base for me.
Blood Elves are far more than just light and fel.
You should post it, though I’d tone down the hostility whatever your opinion of others here may be. It’ll just be received better overall.
I don’t understand getting rid of factions, but being able to go mercenary and gain rep with either faction is a concept I’m interested in.
To be fair, both in one of these helf threads and the San’layn thread he already admitted that was just to rile people up.
You know… cause hes here to argue about others not arguing in good faith.
Actually I’d like to know your particular take on orange or amber eyes?
They’re not explicitly lore regarded but they could be neat. (even if they’re just aspects of the Light based golden eyes.)
Feels kinda like people are returning from leaving the game and only coming back for 9.1 and are kinda returning to how it was before SLs dropped.
Lots of hostility out the gate for no reason.
This.
Look either hair color IS important or it IS NOT important.
If you’re side sees it as something important then the other side should too…
Hair is one of many aspects of ourselves that we use to define ourselves.
I still run into Void Elf bashing relatively regularly.
See? This. You have a reasonable tone (excepting the first sentence) and requests that at least sound genuine.
There is no reason for people to immediately jump to insulting each other.
I do think you have a very limited view on blood elven themes.
Though I agree Blizzard hasn’t done a great deal to expand and look into those themes.
Don’t know whose alt you are but… dude. was it really worth it to come throw shade?
Aside from eye color change (a relatively mutable aspect of thalassians) where do you get the impression it would? the Arcane kept them in a stable state for thousands of years.
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It’s just too on the nose, a level 10 classic troll. Truth in labelling I guess.
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I feel like it’s even worse than that but defending the awful behavior we saw above
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Its just unnecessary to go the underhanded I’ll post on a classic account to “hide”.
Might as well have just said it on their main toon… no ones going to think that wasn’t someone’s alt. lol
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It really was awful, I was shocked that he said some of the stuff he said but I guess some of the people on that side get too emotional about stuff because I have seen it from more than one of them which is why I told him to take a break and then he just attacked me so I was like whatever then because at least I tried to help.
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agree with your interpretation. although my big takeaway from that dev response was always that green eyes and high elves wouldnt even be possible anymore. even for warlocks. green eyes only manifested because the sunwells constant energies were gone after all. as soon as it came back on, green began to dissipate but would always be left in for player choice to make whatever story they wanted for their character
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I got the impression that those who practiced Fel based magics (or at least excessively practiced) would still keep the green myself, but otherwise the wider population would shift back towards the blue, with those focused on the Light gaining the Golden eyes.
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It’s the fact so many liked the post and so many more are so quiet now.
Meanwhile if you ever voice you feel the HE request seems a bit entitled to a theme that isn’t theirs to feel entitled to people come out of the woods and out from under rocks to take offense at the word entitled without reading it in context of its use.
I think it’s shameful to have displayed that behavior and even worse to defend it and like it. To comment on people’s mental health, to use big accusations diagnosing people with issues, and to outright use awful insults totally uncalled for and all this because someone can’t handle opposition to their HE request they take too personally. But we can only hope people do better and argue in good faith in the future.
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Time to go put gold eyes on my warlock.
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Knock yourself out.
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Cool, so your point was?
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I mean the devs never used the verb “replaced”, they used a synonym of “erase” (X caused Y to lose these properties). Basically by the language used, the developers indeed left the door open for new eye colors depending in the “magic usage” of any individual thalassian elves. The Belves as per those words are literally a blank page.
Why did Ion reduced the blue to High Elf only? /groans… It was so much more wide back when this interview happened. Cause then people could RP their blue eyed Belf as either Helf that went back to Quel’thalas OR as a regular old school BELF mage whose eyes went back to their arcane infused color post Sunwell cleaning.