Void elves can look like blood elves but not vise versa

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Dude, read the environment cause the actual narcissist here is not us.

The issue is NOT about you guys getting stuff. Is NOT about us NOT getting stuff. Is about us getting additional stuff and you people coming here -as the actual decade old narcisissts you are- to DEMAND that too. Wanna bet someone will come here to ask for the phoenix stuff cause “phoenixes are Belves and Velves are former Belves, therefore phoenix = Velf”? Wanna bet someone will come to say “Fire is NOT exclusive to Blood elves cause even Humans can cast Fire magic, therefore Fire aesthetics for Velves cause rabble rabble Alliance mages, so If Alliance can use fire magic = Velf can use too?”

See the point? You did it yourself regarding the “San´layn”… you hide behind the most basic argument (visual aesthetics), ignore the fact your faction KILLED those San´layn -the San´layn may have not managed to join officially the Horde, but at least they didn´t get killed en masse by the Horde. The Alliance on the other hand were the ones KILLING THEM. Why would they join them, again?). In short: you fabricate biased imaginary “arguments” to yes, poach the stuff that does NOT make sense in your side.

Or must we start to demand moon aesthetics, Nelf tattoos, etc. On Belves cause they are the descendant on the Highborne and Highborne are Nelves?

Nice to hear, maybe then devs will let the Blood elf race keep at least some stuff for themselves.

Half of the product sold on the game relates to Role Playing and story. Funny how you guys cite this important part in favor of your side managing to RP an old school WC2 High elf, but suddenly the “antis” are the “brats” when they ask to get some excluysive Role Playing stuff too.

Well, you failed. Cause sociopaths have VERY FEW remorse, have NO problems with crossing questionable social borders and absolute DISREGARD to following the rules (in short: they are the ones trying to “break” the rules at their convenience).

Guess which group of people is arguing here in favor of breaking the mold to their own advantage? Certainly not us the people arguing to KEEP the design rules.

Next time do bother to check actual psychology sources.

This has no canon lore basis dude.

What are these? What embodies “phoenix” thematics in your language?

Cause if this is merely a fancy way to describe tattoos, i say it´s still TOO reductive. and probably too advanced for WoW´s art engine.

You are litrally describing the runic tattoos of the old TBC game box. Just reduced to “fire” and “gold”. Why? Did Belves forgot to how to use arcane? or Blood magics?

Orange. Void colored is waaay closer to orange than red proper. Red has been associated in game to both Blood magic (Orcs) or Undead (Dark Rangers, San´layn). Who are NOT a coherent addition to the Alliance Velf “kit”.

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Wait hold on

People on your side are showing their the bad actors

And your response is to get mad at the people arguing in good faith for what visual distinction BEs have left?

Gonna be a yikes from me, if anything would demand a response of seeing players acting poorly and wanting to do x in return Id say Blizzard should see HE fan behavior in full display and never think another thought of catering to them again.

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What do they have left?

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I’d rather keep my slayer of the sin’dorei title very relevant, honestly.

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As much as I appreciate the enthusiasm to explore new, and satisfying themes for the Blood elves, I certainly don’t want it done to simply justify giving over other themes to the Void elves. At this point I think both races should focus primarily on their intended designs to avoid creating a carbon copy of a parent race.

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The hair options your side is begging for remain visually exclusive on the Thalassian model to Blood Elves the playable High Elf core Horde race.

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Ok. Hair. Got it.

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Do you?

You only seem to understand it’s a big deal when people are begging for it on your side.

But when it’s important to people who value visual distinction you pretend you don’t know what is in question?

Interesting.

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No seriously, they may believe they have some sort of “moral high ground” but fact is, THEY were the ones that made thread on top of thread bashing the Void elves back in the old Forums after that infamous Blizzcon revelation. So guess who were the ones that exposed themselves as snowflake ungrateful a-holes in the first place?

And then they keep acting like the mouse asking for cookies on that children book: ask and ask and ask… and when they “propose”, they conveniently try to limit the other thalassian elf race so they just getthe stuff they “pros” deem “worthy”, certainly NOT all the Belves could get as per their lore.

Easy: the territory, the High Elf military factions, the diverse magic schools sans void, allegiance with the undead portion of elves… a lot of stuff.

And here he comes “pretending” he cares over what customizations Belves get.

Why am I not surprised your “contributions” reduce itselves to “stuff colored in golden and red only”, hmm?

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I don’t think most reasonable people are wanting a carbon copy. The secondary theme is already there, and likely should have been at the start to prevent more of this in the first place.
The prospect of lightly expanding the high elf sub race for void elves for those who have been wanting it for ages has actually brushed with the idea of using kul’tiran hair colours/textures, and just adding a tentacle toggle (and colour selector, please.) with a couple more “normal” textures.
We don’t actually need the blood elf hair styles and what not, especially when it comes to keeping the faction distinctness - which does matter to me, personally.

However, the secondary themes of the blood elves that are canonical and prominent - light (major) fel (original major) have been pretty washed down as of late, and playing up those factors would allow everybody the chance to play what they want, while giving each faction their unique edge and the ability to play the originator race to both in some fashion. I don’t think particular themes of tattoos and hair colours are quite that OTT, especially when they’re heavily themed to x and y faction.

It’s better to have everybody win then have everybody fight as both sides lose out on what they actually want. If not, these threads are what happen. And it will never end until both sides get some cake. Blood Elf customization was clearly not finished - there is some major room to have them play into their themes better and have them be much more visually distinct.

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I could care less really. I was only suggesting ways BElves could be visually distinct but the hostility I have been met with has convinced me that factions are ruining the game and creating a terrible environment for players.

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I love asking for races on Alliance and just getting met with similar, honestly. Heck, even humans, Vrykul, get people just demanding it be Horde.

Like, no wonder Alliance players are just exhausted and being “rude”.

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There is no excuse for the behavior you have continuously displayed since you entered this thread.

People are arguing against what you want in good faith just fine, that you find it difficult to deal with opposition suggests to me that maybe you thought this was an echo chamber? You aren’t entitled to support, and what’s more funny is that people downplay the opposition and yet when ever you leave echo chamber type environments you seem shocked opposition constantly exists, logic would say the request isn’t as popular as you’d like to believe it is.

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And this is your first mistake: the Light is NOT a major theme regarding Blood Elves. It literally is important only to ONE NPC and ONE class combo: Liadrin and her merry band of long eared humans. You don´t see Lor´themar nor Rommath nor Halduron nor Aethas nor any other semi prominent Blood Elf NPC saying “For the Light” or “the Light guides us” or any other exclamation that would correlate the elves have a more prominent interest in the Light in their culture. You don´t see them making exclusive deployment of “Paladin and Priest only” military units, heck, in MoP the Blood Knights actually didn´t made a terribly relevant appearance.

The only reason they care about the “Holy Light” is because their fancy huge drug source is made of half Holy Light, ergo if it gets destroyed it would be inconventient for them. Heck, by the very Velf intro scenario alone, the Light portion on the Sunwell actually become exposed as a HUGE disadvantage that entities who can teleport from anywhere can exploit to control and manipulate the Belves.

Your second mistake is focus in a “major theme” that didn´t even survive the very expac that implemented the Belves in the game. The whole moral of the story for the Belves after the Sunwell Plateau was “Fel is bad cause it makes madmen of your former caring responsible leaders and you should avoid it like the plague”. In which universe is COHERENT to make customizations based upon the very magical source the devs have told us was rejected by the Belves for more than a decade and counting?

I repeat: why LIMIT the Belf customizations to stuff that makes no sense and only this stuff?

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I hate to say it, but if it continues to create such a divided and hateful player base, you may have to give up on that relevance. There is a reason why single faction MMOs such as final fantasy are thriving whereas we’re tearing out each other’s throats over racial customization options.

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On the off-topic topic of factions ruining the environment;

Horde vs Alliance was insanely fun, and as a PvP focused player, is my main enjoyment of the game, but with faction imbalance as horrid as it is now, it’s pretty much just a bunch of dog-piling on a losing team now, with the team losing for no fault of it’s own but neglect.

I’m praying for cross-faction next expansion because I literally only have one RBG team left on Alliance, and it gets exhausting just doing nothing but helping people get 1800 sets all day, with my main having to go Horde for any chance at being able to queue actively in the upper brackets or to recruit for Mythic raiding now. Like, it’s actually sapped the fun out of the game not being able to play on the team I enjoy.

Every time I try to discuss most anything related to Alliance - races, gameplay issues, or even just “I like this” - it’s met with a zerg of Horde players just dismissing everything or trying to claim things as their own, which had led a few people I know to just outright move onto onto MMORPGs because they can at least talk about things with the usual amount of trolling, not the excessive chest-thumpy “faction pride/gatekeeping” kind that seems to really only still exist here. Hell, even Wildstar wasn’t this bad when it was actually active, and it was a faction war based game too. (And funnily enough, they had the “same race but different factions” thing going on with their humans, and nobody cared.)

These threads are kind of just a part of the overall problem, and one that’s honestly kind of fascinating in a “watch a train crash” way from an outsider’s perspective. I may have linked a few of these kind of threads over the last while to people in the MMO scene overall who don’t play WoW. (…and it sort of reaffirms their choice to not because of just how petty this all gets.)

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I love how this was flagged within an hour or so of posting. Really goes to show the extent of how much the flagging system is being abused by the same obsessive crowd of 5-6 people whose life goal is to deny others customization under the guise of ‘preserving identity’, as if they somehow have copyrights over the idea of high / blood / void elves.

Factions really are destroying this game. Maybe Blizzard will learn one day when most people leave this toxic environment for games that actually value customization for all.

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Well, the Sunwell sure gets talked about a lot with them. And that’s both Light and Arcane :man_shrugging:

It’s also reasonable to assume that if not already, it eventually will have an impact on their bodies to justify that customization theme.

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I mean, I’ll take it. I’ve done a lot of PvP testing and have laid out the theory-crafting as to how the faction war stuff can still exist with cross-faction play.

Just gonna be kind of sad to see it go, but I’ll take the boons of it all, especially if it means the story gets a heavier dose of the Hearthstone vibes. The way they do the world-building for Azeroth there sometimes makes me actually want true cross-faction play.

I’m used to it, although it’s best not to discuss moderation here friend.

Maybe it’s because I’ve been roleplaying Blood Elves since I started playing this game, and still continue to RP with them cross-faction to this day (and let me tell u, void/blood elf RP gets crazy good.), but like…
the Sunwell is sort of a big deal for them, and always has been. They struggled to exist without it, and the Alliance high elves struggled without it’s presence.

But I’m not here to lecture on lore I would assume people obsessed with the race this much should already understand. It feels like people just bring up Wowpedia and read it to find things to cherry pick and try to go “but ackshully” on to deny people, not find ways to expand on story and customization kits.

The Nightwell is also another really good reference onto how the type of magic an elf feeds on would effect the physically.

It’s getting kind of absurd how when new customization potentials are offered to play into the Blood Elf theme they have, people just don’t want it. I’ll never understand. More customization is good, especially ones that can move the story forwards.
More. Is. Good.

Especially if it’s just not more borderline “looks human” that the blood elves have kind of suffered from since their models were made to be appealing enough for people to reroll from Alliance for back in TBC.

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It’s the reason they received the golden eye customizations! It was meant to be there since the culmination at the end of TBC where the Sunwell was cleansed with a Naaru :smiley:

Yeah I thought the same but some of the people so fervently against VEs receiving more HE customization did not even realize Blizzard commented on such things already, as well as the general ongoing customization to be added in the future. :man_shrugging:

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