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Void Elves dying during the Fourth War and being risen by Sylvanas to become Darkfallen, then being granted permission by Calia to return to the Alliance.
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Standard Blood Elf Darkfallen joining the Void Elves after Calia granted the Darkfallen permission to change sides if wanted.
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I can only give you one like dearie but you deserve all the likes for saying this because legit our customization pass was terrible, absolutely terrible. 
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Even with that leap of a head canon it is still major bs. Particularly the whole âreturn to the Allianceâ and âpermission to change sides if wantedâ. Cool when can I make a human that can change sides to Horde? Why are only horde races being sent to Alliance to make yall happy?
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Hopefully all races get a new pass soon. Especially with the details we see possible with the Dracthyr.
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Itâs not really much of a leap, or even a leap at all.
There were casualties of every race during the Fourth War, and we know that they were risen into Undeath through Bolvar and the Valâkyr under the orders of Sylvanas. Risen Void Elves under Bolvar are proven due to the given explanation for why theyâre capable of being Death Knights, and he additionally raised Blood Elves.
So, we have Void Elf and Blood Elf Darkfallen right then and there.
Under Bolvar, the Blood Elf Darkfallen would return to Sylvanas as part of the Horde and the Void Elves would return to the Alliance.
While we donât have an example of Sylvanas ordering Void Elves to be risen, it can be deduced given how she raised other races.
We have a quest at the end of Shadowlands that shows Horde Darkfallen were given the opportunity by Calia to return/join the Alliance. That isnât headcanon either. Why wouldnât some take that opportunity to rejoin their families/friends, or try to start over somewhere new. Them wanting to return to their people is even given as a reasoning in the quest.
We also have information from Steve Danuser that High Elves and Blood Elves are joining the ranks of the Void Elves, so Darkfallen doing the same would be no different since theyâre just another subgroup.
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I donât think they need to be distinct because we already had pandas.
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Yeah, you can explain away everything with bad writing. Doesnât change the fact itâs extremely convoluted. That wasnât even my biggest issue. My biggest issue was the fact the Alliance is getting an iconic Horde look. Which you just glossed over.
Um maybe because the Forsaken are a thing? The entire race of Humans that the Alliance rejected. And now elves are ok? Even Derek Proudmoore felt ostracized by the Alliance and joined the Forsaken/Horde with Calia.
I wanna play a human that decided to start over somewhere new, that new being the horde. Why canât I do that?
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Itâs the Horde bias.
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Doesnât exist, Horde players are just built different.
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Iâm just pointing out thatâs why we donât get what we want is the so called Horde bias, I mean supposedly we get everything we want but itâs more the other way around for Alliance so thatâs why you will never get a Human on Horde unless all races actually go neutral eventually.
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Just because the lore is stupid doesnât mean it isnât canonâŠ
Or else we wouldnât have much story left.
Yes, the guy who was looking for advantages against the Blood Elf people and was passing on maps of strategic locations to the NEs⊠Who historically hate them because of Azshara, which is definitely something that the HEs would probably not like happening to them for obvious reasons. Hence why we kill him and are HE/BE are pushed more towards the horde than ever before.
BEs were looking to possibly defect because Garrosh went Orc Hitler and them saying no to his obvious war mongering when their entire race is at critically low levels and threat of extinction while there is no existential threat was a problem⊠HEs have no problems leaving if your going to mess the bed and the alliance would have been the only faction that could prevent said Horde steamrolling them so of course they would look into defecting as an option.
That doesnât change that the Forsaken are the only people to assist them in their time of need until the Trolls were such a huge threat that everyone decided to jump them.
Kael could have been considered a leading proponent of potentially rejoining the alliance during WC3âs events if Garithos didnât Garithos. What Kael did afterwards by ânopingâ off to outlands in search of further alliances and potential means of further assisting his literally starving people (IIRC the whole eatting fel magic thing stemmed from his trip there) and becoming obviously corrupted by it doesnât change that the alliance didnât help them numerous times.
Yes the Trolls are an obvious problem Kael left his people at home with but he also sort of stuck lorthemar in charge and trusted him to keep the weakest of the people safe and alive while he did stuff in outlands (a very dangerous place all things considered and a good place to bring your best if your initial goal is searching for a solution to magical starvation).
Effectively, Garithos happened to all of the Elves because he punted the at the time leader of the HElves into a place where they felt the need to drop the Alliance further and take their best adventuring across a new world to try and solve the whole âpeople inevitably becoming mindless abominationsâ problem.
IIRC Blood Elves were also slated as a potential Ally of the âNew Hordeâ post WC3 when all of that âAlliance screws the high elvesâ stuff primarily got set in motion. The statistically lower numbers of the Horde at the time (because paladins and pretty races) is why they finalized the BEs joining up fully.
Which is overall why Blizzard couldnât just stick HEs in the alliance side too. They wanted the HEs to actually matter in their ânothing must overlapâ game design. and giving them the Pandaren treatment from Mists at the time not only didnât really fit lore but also allowed them to keep them important. Pandaren post MoP have had pretty much zero imput in the overall direction of the story. Pretty elves are more important and must be preserved.
Letâs be honest, Blizzard caved to HE demand through VEs because they fumbled WoD so hard and they really wanted to maintain the alliance player base post Legion and were unsure if they could do it. Pandering to the players is a great way to keep your player base happy.
I am saddened that Alleria was green-lit to have a swappable void form considering that massive amounts of magic (especially void based stuff) before her âspecial caseâ led to permanent mutations and potential insanity. Would still bet 20 bucks that somebody didnât wanna wreck someone important in the officeâs âbeautiful waifuâ and thatâs why she got that treatment.
While I donât mind the VEs getting not blue skin tones I would have totally loved to see things like hands and feet have a void themed layer attached to them or some kind of tonal hue change to signify that they run on massive amounts of void at the least instead of just copy pastes from what they gave BEs.
Even better would have been to have more void visual options and hide said mutations when wearing that gear/gear slot if they clip too badly and the devs canât stand what is basically the skyrim solution.
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Though on the humans in the Horde topic, if Blizzard wonât give me my own Alteraci, Iâll make one.
Dracthyr, female human visage, minimal dragon stuff, bangs to hide scales.
I do what I want.
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tbh what i feel like a lot of people ignore re the horde population post bc is that bc was when the horde got a relatively equal amount of content to alliance.
in classic alliance got like literally twice as many quests and zones (that they later evened out to much teeth gnashing by alliance players in cata). of course there was a lot more of us playing in bc, it was the first time the game wasnât objectively stacked against us.
i mean with the horde gaining access to the human rig itâs no longer an alliance specific rig, i donât see why we shouldnât get it.
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Donât let anyone fool you. Paladins were a massive advantage in classic and every race on the opposing side was ugly so being Horde was a minority preference.
While having more quests and zones is nice. As a casual I believe that having the bulk of the âattractiveâ races definitely helps just as much if not more.
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Theyâre only the opposing side if you played Alliance. Real ones played Horde from day 1. Faction swappers are cowards.
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What about the players who played both sides from roughly patch 1.3?
I liked Orcs and NEs because of WC2-3 lore and played them exclusively
ride or die for thrall
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Green Jesus dissapointed me when he nominated Garrosh.
Saurfang would have been the better leader until Garry grew up a bit and learned how much of an idiot his father was. Dude just didnât want to kill people anymore if he didnât have to and would have been an interesting faction leader during MoP.
Also would have helped hold off on the whole âkey Horde leader goes evilulzâ plot line.
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garrosh was fine right up until the point they villain batted him. in wrath he was no worse than varian, but for some reason they decided in cata varian was no longer a racist warmonger while garrosh become a racist warmonger.