Void Elf Paladin - This NPC Needs Fixing

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Really? More drastic?

So you consider all Trolls, Night Elves, Shal’Dorei/Nightborne, Quel/Sin’Dorei or High/Blood Elves, and Void Elves as the same race?

Lightforged aren’t a new race, it’s clear they are not. They are chosen like so in the character select screen, however, if you do the unlock you’ll see they are Draenei who prove themselves to be infused with the light (like Turalyon). Kul’Tiran are not a separate race, they are Humans, so are Worgen and Forsaken.

This is why your guys’ idea doesn’t hold up under scrutinity again, do you consider the Forsaken different or the same as Humans? If you say different… then you’re already recognizing they are not the same. However, undeath is just a state of being. Becoming a new race is a transformation which follows the history of the Elves. If they say they are the same, then you recognize that it isn’t as drastic as you trying to use it to say High/Blood Elves = Void Elves.

I agree with an assertion by Runeleaf, a Void Elf can identify as a High Elf though.

No we see Soul Priests and even the NPCs who may appear to use shadow magic are normal Draenei. Soul Priests are still considered “light users.” Play WoD for the background.

Oh the Darkfallen are like Felbloods, they transformed enough.

When did a Night Elf stop being a Troll? When did a High/Blood Elf stop being a Night Elf?

Answer me these and we’ll see how much you hold consistency.

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The soulpriests aren’t LF, they’re regular Draenei.
The reason they shouldn’t be able to use Shadow is the exact same reason that a Velf shouldn’t be able to use Light. The precedent was set with the short story about Alleria and Turalyon that was released just before Legion. Even now, they still can’t really touch each other without violent pain. If it’s skin-to-skin contact, it’s even worse, in that they not only feel horrific pain, but they also receive visions of the future.
It’s not something that’s possible. It’s worse than what happens to a Forsaken when it wields or is healed by the Light. Their feeling of discomfort is physical, but they’re not having visions and crap during the process. It’s like if a person with a peanut allergy wanted to work in a peanut butter factory.

As for the racial evolution, it’s quiet obvious when an animal evolves out of what it used to be. You can say an animal is related to another, but it isn’t that animal. A dog is not a wolf. A canine? Yes, but not the wolf ancestor that it came from. But with Elves, there’s outside genetic manipulation/engineering, so there’s even more distance. They’re still related, but are clearly now a distinct people.

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Where’s your proof they evolved? The Humans of Azeroth didn’t evolve. We don’t even know if Trolls, Tauren, and Pandaren did etc.

No with Elves, magic transforms them in to new races.

Again, when did a High Elf stop being a Night Elf? When did a Shal’Dorei no longer be a Kal’Dorei? WHEN did it happen? If you can answer that, you can prove me wrong.

Trying to use real world concepts like the Theory of Evolution in a world where magic exists is lunacy in my opinion.

Dark Irons and Wildhammer/Bronzebeards are a great example of this. They see themselves as separate races because who was transformed?

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They stopped being what they previously were when their bodies became altered, usually after a long period of cultural shift. The Quel’dorei weren’t Quel’dorei when they arrived in the Eastern Kingdoms, they slowly developed into that. Culturally, they had deviated slightly before they even left Kalimdor, due to simple class divide. But the separation only increased the cultural divide.
I’m not sure what you’re having a problem with though. Being dead, your flesh rotting, and then being risen to un-life, is more drastic than mutating. That’s all I’m saying. Does it change their species? No. But it does alter them mentally, all undeath does that.

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Nothing says it happened slowly. Void Elves’ blood changed to purple, can grow void tendrils, they no longer are mana addicts, and are developing a different culture. By your own definition they are a separate race. Again, using the Theory of Evolution (wrongly I would point out) in a world where Magic exists.

Now we do not know what happens when current Blood/High Elves want to become Void Elves, that is something I think we will discover soon.

Because a corpse is a corpse and is the same race regardless if it is/was (undeath is tricky like that) if it’s animated and moving or not. I’m not the one being extreme here.

EDIT: This is speculation but based on the new Void Elf Deathknight NPC’s dialogue, she became a Void Elf when she already was a Blood/High Elf DK because she wanted to follow Alleria. This would suggest and confirm how I see them as different races.

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Theoretically, they could technically be a separate race. But functionally, all they are is just a power up. They aren’t really developing a new culture, their culture is just what Blood Elves used to be before their lore got neutered and they were turned into Light worshippers.
Velves, ideologically, are just pre-Sunwell patch Belf. Willing and ready to dabble in the dangerous and forbidden to face their enemies.

As for new ones, I’d assume it’ll just a safer process of infusion over a longer period of time, more like Alleria’s training.

That all being said, I’m fine with something that’s not a new race being playable. I’m not fine with LFD and Velf because of their specificity and the things that should be required with them. They should almost be a class in their own, like how Dracthyr right now are Evokers and Evokers are Dracthyr.

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You can stop projecting your own insecurities onto me bro.

Yes. Void Elf is infused with void. Undead is DEAD AND INFUSED WITH VOID.

Learn to read.

you aren’t when you’re infused with void either, otherwise undead would be transformed because they are ALSO INFUSED WITH VOID.

Void elves are more High elven than dark rangers are. Deal with it.

Literally said in quest text but whatever helps you sleep at night.

Take your cope elsewhere.

different species literally physically transformed by magic to have different traits, longer lives, loss of regeneration, etc.

Same species, different region. Likely a 0.1% difference in dna.

Same species. Even less difference between them and night elves as Nightborne and Highborne.

LITERALLY just blood elves that can use the void. Every Blood Elf Warlock is a Void Elf at this point. The above races diverted and evolved in different habitats and environments over the course of millennia. SOME Void Elves got hit with a bunch of voidal energy, and thus look different, but “appearance” does not define someone’s “race.” Hell, even someone

Is someone born an Albino a “different race” from their parents? Is someone who contracts skin cancer a “different race” from other humans? This is stupid.

Take the L.

Don’t call people cattle if you can’t handle being called something dehumanizing.

Are you not listening or something. Void elf is a elf infused with void. A Dark Ranger is a elf KILLED and then INFUSED WITH VOID to come back. By every stretch of the imagination- becoming a dark Ranger is the same as becoming a void elf, but with the extra step of DYING first.

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You’re going to need to back that up, they are not in survival mode nor are facing certain extinction.

Or you mean before that? High/Blood Elves are Sun worshipers so they already worshipped the Light. Similar to Tauren.

We don’t know if it’s an infusion or a transformation yet. Lean however you like right now, but neither of us would be right. I’m willing to accept I could be wrong here and they are the same race, are you willing to accept they are not?

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They study forbidden magics and aren’t all up their own rears about morality. That’s the essential core of the original paradigm shift in Belf culture.
The change came about due to circumstances, but it was still a cultural shift. It was bad lore to tame them down into weak-willed Light worshippers again.

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You clearly don’t know what insecurities means and all I have to do it log in and copy the description in to here from character creation screen. If you can’t admit a simple error like this, everything else if fruitless beyond this point.

It says Transformed, not Infused. Lightforged says Infused though and I can tell you are emotionally disturbed so I will let it go especially because you said this:

The Theory of Evolution would not apply in Azeroth and it’s because, this did not come from Natural Selection but they changed because of Magical transformation. So bringing in real world ideas on race is again, not going to work.

Albinism is a mutation and if Natural Selection occurred over thousands of years where there was a group of humans who were that distinguishable, yes they would be a seperate race, just like Neanderthals and Denisovans. Who we even interbred with. Shocking I know.

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Then we agree, there’s an Umbrella Term, Elf. Then it would be prudent for you to agree Blood/High Elves are not Void Elves because they are different but still Elves.

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Hmmm but then we see Scholars who want to do the same…to the latter half, that’s your opinion, you are free to have it.

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I disagree with this part.
Its not elf. Its high elf. Alternatively thalassian elf for those who want to say the name high elf is a sub faction of the thalassian elves.

The thalassian elves are all the same race and different to night elves. So elf on its own doesnt really work.

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I was one among others who put forth using Thalassian. I am totally on board with this and have used it myself.

Same with Darnassian, Shalassian, and Zandali. It flows well and stays consistent this way. Blizzard has used Darnassian I know for certain.

Something else i proposed to distinguish from the Trolls was Dorei/“the children.”

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dude I just told you to stop projecting your insecurities onto me. We get it, you’re crazy. I’m not asking for your trauma dump.

HAH.

I don’t think you know what natural selection is. Using magic that is a part of nature is still natural. It’s a part of the universe.

A race that adapts to magical energy is… Still evolving to natural selection.

Okay so if we can’t use real world definitions of words because this is a fantasy world then there are no rules and whatever the writers say it is goes.

So Void Elves are High Elves because the devs gave them High Elf customizations.

Wow so I’m still right regardless of if you use my argument or yours!

So Void Elves are Blood Elves then. Because they didn’t change over thousands of years. Your arguments are self defeating.

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Uh huh.

I didn’t say don’t use real world definitions, I said specifically the Theory of Evolution. I see you continue to twist, misrepresent, and slander me.

Did you really just say this? Wow. I am done. The rest of what you say is just proving what I proposed.

Void Elves are changed so therefore are not High Elves.

They can look like their Blood/High Elf race because they are only one step removed. That didn’t make them the same race.

it’s becoming very apparent to me, there is an emotional disturbance here as you are unable to regulate because you cannot even admit a simple oh I was wrong it does say transformation sorry. There’s a concerted effort to personally malign me as well. I do not understand this.

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Thank god.

Holy cow you are just impressively stupid.

Go tell a cancer patient that because they’ve been “Changed” and “Transformed” they’re no longer human.

That’ll go over well.

You cannot “change race” from the one you were born as. That’s stupid and inane. They were born High Elves. Therefore they are still High Elves. Infused with void, infused with light, transformed by void, transformed by light.

These things are temporary at best. What is eternal is their souls that will take the form of a High Elf when they die.

And even this “Transformation” is hardly that at all. It’s a Blood Elf with void powers. That’s not a different race.

Otherwise a warlock Blood Elf using demonic transformation is a different race than a Blood Elf warrior. Or a Night Elf Demon Hunter is a different race than a Night Elf Druid.

Are Druids a different race of creature than their original form?

This argument is beyond moronic.

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So when did a Night Elf stop being a Troll?

OH Azeroth is a world where magic exists and things can be transformed. Just like Dark Irons.

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When a night elf was born and didn’t start as a troll???

So…

???

Every class is a different race. Mages are transformed into being addicted to mana. Druids transform into animals. Warlocks transform into demons. Demon Hunters are half-demon. Shadow Priests are infused with void and transform through it. Paladins infused with light “Transform” into winged angels.

This is the logic you’re going with.

Also didn’t you say you were “done”

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Really?

Yes and no, they are a different species. They become bears, etc. They can transform back though.

They do transform in to a demon but transform back. They infuse themselves with Fel.

Mine holds up under scrutiny. I am sorry this is not apparent to you.