It was about gathering all priests. That’s it. There was no “deep dive”.
A priest’s greatest enemy is the priest of another religion. At worst, one that directly contradicts their own deity/creed. And because of that, the whole priest class hall is a meme. But what should they have done? Deny it to the priests during Legion?
They should dissolve the Conclave in the Lore.
I’m not sure why people are trying to make arguments for or against VE Paladins (or any class race combo for that matter).
They said awhile ago that their goal is eventually to not have race restrict class options, just that certain class releases need more art resources and time dedicated to them.
The literal explanation for Tauren Rogue was added after they decided Rogues will go to everyone and it’s just a single NPC saying “we’ve always been around.”
It ain’t that deep everyone.
The WoW devs prioritize QoL gameplay over “what’s the status quo lore”.
thats a personal issue
I could have sworn that Paladins did not get their power from the light but from Tyr…That seems to be what Chronicle implies.
It depends on the paladin’s race.
Humans, dwarves becomes paladins from a ritual in a church of the holy light after being trained.
Tuaren is blessed with the light by anshe
Zandalary trolls is blessed with the light by rezan
Blood elves gets their light powers by a ritual they perform at the sun well (current lore now, previously by taking light energy of a naaru and infusing it within themselves)
Dreanei is a mix of ritual and naaru blessing them.
Most of the new races will be from tyr, with exceptions from VE it appears.
That’s a literacy issue. Look up magic systems of literacy.
Pppffhahaha. Okay. Sure it is.
HAH.
still wrong. Take it up with blizzard.
Why do you keep talking about yourself? Look if you’ve never heard of the “light sees one possibility” lore you can just say that. Don’t have to get pissy and fail to insult me.
Yes.
People will argue until they’re blue in the face that an entire sect of priests that has been canon since vanilla and had an entire order hall section dedicated to them is non-canonical because it messes with their warcraft tabletop rpg lore.
Discipline priests are canon, get over it.
Undead can use the light. This has been true since vanilla. You’re just wrong.
Go finish dragonflight before you talk about retcons on the forums maybe.
Is Falstead dead? I could have sworn he was in ironforge- but in a dev interview they said he was dead so I guess he’s dead.
I’ll take lore that exists in the game over dev comments in a informal interview kthx.
When you choose not to read and adapt your argument yeah, there isn’t much else to do.
Proving the poor reading comprehension right here.
Defias are non-canon- (Stormwind doesn’t allow them in their society)
Not how that lore works.
Demon hunters didn’t exist until Legion retconned them. (They didn’t exist in their faction, only things that exist in the alliance or horde are canon.)
Literally factually wrong. Go fight the four horsemen on classic.
Naxx. Vanilla. Four Horsemen. USING THE LIGHT. Are you being intentionally dense?
because you’re a brick wall that is choosing to be literally ignorant of what everyone is telling you. It’s like arguing with a deaf person about what it’s like to hear things, or a blind person about what color something is.
It literally does.
Oh so you DO know what we’re talking about but you’re dancing around the subject because it hurts your argument? And you wonder why people call you names? Real surprise.
Then stop trolling. You’re baiting anger by pretending the actual points of the discussion don’t exist in favor of extremely stupid things like “THEY’RE NOT HORDE THO SO NOT CNAON” like anyone should take that seriously.
Dude get a life. This has literally nothing to do with blood elves, you’re just salty.
You’re the one who hasn’t learned any of the lore from your posts.
Please find a new hobby- you suck at reading.
It was enforced once. In legion.
And it was a moment that is so commonly misunderstood because blood elf mains get a hard on whenever Blood Elves get angwy with the alliance and they stop paying attention to post more “NO ALLIANCE HIGH ELVES HAHAHA SCREW YOU ALLIANCE I LOVE PLAYING HORDE ONLY WITH MY PRETTY ELVES. GATEKEEP THE FANTASY RACE”
What actually happened when Alleria got near the sunwell, was that voidal creatures used her connection to the void to attack it. It did NOT result in an explosion because that’s never been how that works and you’ve all deluded yourselves into thinking something else happened in that quest. Your blood elven ranger is not a nigh omnipotent god who knows 100% of everything, he has biases and is honestly an idiot.
“Debunked” you just keep screaming “NUH-UH” with no actual evidence for Disc priests not being canon. You just keep pretending that Disc Priests work differently from how they work in canon to suit your narrative.
Also: Benediction.
Benediction. Disc priests. I could honestly go on forever tbh. This is delusion to the 9th degree. Disc priests exist. They balance light and shadow and use them at the same time. It cannot be impossible for a void user to use light because then all disc priest lore would be non-canon. You must be trolling.
This means nothing. Get a real argument.
This has never been the case. It was literally made unstable by a dreadlord infusing the SHADOW OBJECT being filled with light. ASHBRINGER. Started out as a void Naru crystal.
BENEDICTION. VANILLA WOW.
Find a new gate that isn’t already wide open bro.
Not a retcon if you just don’t understand it.
Dude take the L.
Imagine thinking this is how Naru work.
Shadowlands.
The light since day 1 was “Clap your hands if you believe”.
You’re delusional.
… The Light has always been “no rules”. When did you start following warcraft Lore? Arcane magic can do literally anything with enough mana. There are no rules for how you create spells with mana. The magic system is so incredibly vague and fast and loose. The only “Rule” magic has ever had is this made up one you’ve fabricated about “ooo light and dark can’t touchhhh”
Literally everything everyone does with magic has never been constrained by rules, it’s always been “Whatever the plot needs”.
This is stupid. This entire argument is like talking to people from an alternate dimension. It’s inane.
Not in the VE/forsaken races.
Extremely painfully yes. Unhumane levels of pain. And palafins in particular cannot turn off the light magic.
How bout you learn more about WoW lore and history before you open respond.
They where rightfully corrected that he was not. That is why they honored the person that brought him up as an noc in ironforge.
It’s not just represented in game but in their literacy books. Alonsous foal mentions how the light feels like. Also, the devs went into detail what the light does to undead.
Trolling then gotcha. This will be the final reply you get from me, after this you’ll be put on ignore.
Attacks is not proof.
They are a seperate faction yes.
Guess again.
They existed, but unplayable. You fight them in outland.
Zeleik wanted to be unalived and is the worse example to use. He also could not control his own body, or he wpuld commit suicide. That is how miserable paladin existence is as undead. It is unhumane within the confines of the story.
Read above. Very closely.
And you wonder why no one respects you.
Try again.
Oh, so if you know i am right why even respond? Oh right because your trolling.
This entire post shows you do not what that is.
Your confused.
I AM ANGRY AT THE WRITERS FOR NOT BEING CONSISTANT AND CONSTANTLY RETCONNING HARD MAGIC SYSTEMS.
Learn to read the room.
Try again.
Says the guy baiting here.
Except it’s not? Learn hard magic systems and why you shouldn’t break them as an author.
It 100% is.
So you skipped the quest in sl where you escort a person drivin insane due to the pain of light exposure? The pain it brought them? K.
Even then SL was not risen to undeath via a mix of necromantic magic and void magic which the forsaken was raised with.
This is a non-arguement to an actual atguement. People are rightfully angry at the inconsistency.
At least in the past retcons was minor. This isn’t
Read above.
Looks a W to me.
Naaru’s do not naturally turn void. It is a rareity that happens when light magic is siphoned from them or they get wounded and leak light energy. Either method always points to mortal meddling.
This is incorrect. There had bern limitations on magic in the past. Even now it is still shows, to make a magic “forced” to do something it don’t normally do, you need a great deal of magic channeling to one source and tremendance will. Calia had a naaru and 2 powerful holy users to raise as an undead, and it was against the light’s will. It was mentioned in the book that she “choose” to be undead dispite the light wanting to do a full resserection. This is why she is considered a mary sue.
They have. Sir zeliek expressly expresses the pain of an undead embued with holy magic.
If you wake up one day and everyone says your wrong. Your just wrong. Attacking everyone on it don’t make you right.
That ship has sailed. The lore is whatever they write at this point.
Yup and OP was one of the ones that pushed that ship to sea even.
I actually gave you the benefit of the doubt. Mu’ru didn’t use shadow spells as a Holy Naaru.
If we cannot use the established facts to have dialogue, this will not ever be fruitful.
So you don’t know it.
You’re right. I never heard of it. My last state of affairs was: The Light seeks one path and shuns all others as lies, while the void sees multiple possibilities.
I believe you missed the fact that this part of audio drama was about visions of the future regarding the true “destiny”. Everything else is speculation and interpretation on your part. To be fair, there isn’t another way. You’ve probably noticed that these phrases are quite empty and useless on their own since they’re abstract. You can only interpret them. But that makes it speculative.
Oh, btw, what’s with this ‘light and shadow cannot exist together’? That actually came up several times in the audio drama, the very same source you’re quoting all the time. Don’t tell me you’re just cherry picking?
I didn’t intend to insult you, so the conclusion that it didn’t come to that is likely correct. And I’m very relaxed when I write these posts. At the end of the day, none of us has anything to gain or lose, or any influence over the situation. It’s just some light banter. But if you accuse me of Dunning Kruger, you can expect me to turn this gun on you and find yourself at the “peak of mount stupid” [sic!].
My tone is matter-to-fact, and this was an objective observation. You don’t seem to know anything else about the lore of Light and Void, since you don’t take it into account in your argument. So it’s more likely that you’re the one who argues here with an opinion based on sciolism, isn’t it? Your ignorance of the lore reasons for class limitations in Classic, as well as the arcane retcon, the lore about why the light hurts the undead, and the lore about the void lords, emphasizes this point. And you of all people dare to accuse me? kek
Another example is this:
The Discipline Priest lore dates back only to Legion. Until then, there was no indication that they were dual wielders. Even shadow school spells in the Discipline category have been labelled Arcane in lore. So your point here about ‘since vanilla’ is wrong.
And the fact that Discipline Priests use both was mentioned in the Legion preview: Fair enough. But you didn’t see much of that in the Legion Class Hall. The artifact is like an unstable ashbringer; that’s it in terms of lore. (Unless you want to express your speculation that the artifact’s frequent “explosions” are caused by a residual shadow, which would be the ultimate proof of the OP’s original statement)
It did not constantly switch between light and shadow, or combine the two. So Legion failed to deliver on what the preview promised, and you haven’t heard anything about it since. Soft Retcon?
I’m not trolling. But I think you’re either not reading my posts properly, or you’re confusing them with the opinions of other users here. I’m saying the exact same thing, just from the opposite perspective: If it is possible for a void user to use light, then all the previous sources I’ve quoted would be non-canon! Yet, they’re both canon and they’re both contradicting each other. That’s the inconsistency!
And here we are. I’m not denying the existence or the canonisation (only in some cases), I’m criticising the inconsistency of the canon and I prioritise what came first. Huge difference. My point is that in the past, Blizzard established requirements that had to be met in order to cast the light. That’s what I’m talking about when I say “established lore”. I explained that any form of dual wielding violates these rules. (my comments on this remain unquoted and uncontested.)
Of course, Blizzard can introduce NPCs/characters/classes who are exactly doing that. They will be canon (as long as it is written somewhere, not just in gameplay). But if the accusation is that Blizzard is ignoring those own established rules with such things, then it is absurd to cite these very cases as proof that they’re consistent. See also my comments on circular reasoning.
So a more precise phrase would be: they shouldn’t be able to use the light.
Well, I’m here because of that. But I’ve told you that several times already.
The switch is either up or it is down. It is up for Light’s Wrath and the Ashbringer.
Benedictus went rogue with BC (well, actually cata), not Vanilla. And my inconsistency argument applies to him as well. In the lore, he’s not a disc, but a shadow priest. He doesn’t believe in balance, he’s a damn follower of the old gods and he wants the endtimes
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I’m not your dude, friend.
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Sounds like a rule to me.
btw: A non-believing priest/paladin who lacks a dogma/deity to which his abilities are linked to is dumb and diametrically opposed to the true concept of these classes.
What in the devil are you on about? Show me a source on that.
Trolling, right? You start a thread to state how right you are and no one can disagree with that statement?
Nah, it shouldn’t be removed. Read more about the lore and notice how things aren’t cut and dry as you think.
Theres a differences between Void Elfs and Alleria, Alleria consumed a Void Naru, Void Elfs are just practioners of the Void. I dont see any reason why they cant, Displine priest have existed for ages, in fact priest using the void and the light is not new
They are not merely practitioners, they are infused and transformed by the Void.
Forsaken Priests are practitioners.
First gen velves (the blueberry ones), sure. The newer generations don’t seem to be Void infused. Ennas even maintains his green eyes.
Those are NPCs and Ennas’ eyes aren’t even selectable. All Void Elves are transformed, otherwise they wouldn’t be Void Elves.
Shadow Priests have an ability to transform in the way you mean. It’s temporary.
Void elf NPCs, correct.
… ? So? We’re talking lorewise, not in game stuff.
Nope, newer void elves don’t seem to be transformed. Hence the new NPCs (and the fair-skinned customizations).
They don’t have blue skin, sure. That does not mean they didn’t get transformed. Night Elves can have fair skin, blue eyes, and fair hair. Are they High Elves now?
Again, you’re using NPCs which at this point is pure speculation. We don’t know for sure that Lyria and Ennas are Void Elves.
Shoot, Ennas’ eyes resemble Chi Mist more.
Why you want to minimize the new race is beyond me. If you want to play a traditional Quel’Dore/High Elf, you’re welcome to come to the Horde, we’re here because Blood Elves are the High Elves.
EDIT: To prove and make it clear how you are not being factual. You are making a general assumption second generation Void Elves would all be fair skinned and not blue skinned. You are basing this on nothing but a few NPCs. You are minimizing how the Void might transform a new Blood/High Elf into a Void Elf. You are maximizing your personal belief they would retain fair skin, not grow tendrils, etc. based on 3 NPCs. This is a logical fallacy of Generalization.
I encourage you to wait to see what actually happens.