Void Elf Paladin - This NPC Needs Fixing

No it doesn’t.

technical reasons. Not lore. You have no idea what you’re talking about. If it were true- we wouldn’t have female druids.

You and your four buddies are real impressive.

Good thing it’s not a narrative error.

Dunning Kruger effect in action.

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I can see this being the reason/excuse for her weilding the Light if she was a Blood Knight that got her power when they were using M’uru.

M’uru and the Void naturally balanced because of how the naaru can change back and forth so this is why she can still swing the Light without exploding.

But Alleria will if she touches her husband because she absorbed a naaru that had already became Void.

And yes, that is some silliness but do you think they’ll go…Oops, we made a mistake. Ignore that Void Elf doing Paladin things.

Blizzard could easy fix this problem with light vs void by using the same system that SWTOR does with jedi’s and sith’s.

For example, the jedi knight and the sith warrior are the same class.

They use the same skills and talent trees but the class name, name of the skills and graphics for the skills are totally different. Just to fit the lore and it doesn’t mess up the gameplay.

Touched a nerve there eh?

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This was retconned? When?

… Source?

A good read: https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Void_lord

No. Canon. Don’t cut out my sources.
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Light
World of Warcraft: The Comic, Issue 21: Secrets (page 20)/Issue 22: Whispers(page 4)

Why not?

A circular argument is a logical fallacy in which the conclusion of an argument is assumed in the premise. This means that the argument goes in a circle without proving anything new, as it relies on its own conclusion to support its premises.

Example:

Tenebrae:
Premise: Aenerola/Voidlight cannot exist as paladin within Warcraft.
Reason: It’s against the established canon.
Conclusion: Their existence is a continuity error.

Someone else here:
Premise: Those characters exist.
Conclusion: Therefore, it’s not against the etablished canon.

The second is circular because it assumes the conclusion (that the character’s existence is not against the rules) within the premise (that the character exists). The existence of the character is being used to prove the character’s existence is not against the canon, without addressing the rules themselves independently.

Got it now?

I can. You’re just ignoring my sources.

Literally? How do you know he personally placed these NPCs? This appears to be far too small a task for a man of his caliber.

Story-wise, it only serves to improve artefacts and has no other use. Either you accept it completely (including the interface) or not at all. If there is a visual representation of how the crucible works, and nothing else, then that is preferable to your personal inerpretation.

It’s the first and only source on why the light hurts the undead. (and it’s from metzen btw.)

Of course it is.

The void Its very nature is detrimental to life and sanity.
(Locus-Walker to Alleria, audio drama, page 36, also in telogrus now)
Also here: wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Void

The Light is the source of all life in the cosmos. […] Its positive energies, residing in every living being, in every heart and soul, is everywhere, binding all sentient beings together as one, as it pervades and shines through everything, resonating within all things in the universe.
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Light

Worth a look, too: Effects on beings on the same pages, the way the magic is “reacting”. I can’t quote everything here.

It appears that you are only “familiar” with this lore. Although I don’t think you really understood it. Nonetheless, you clearly haven’t read any of the Warcraft wiki’s well-documented and sourced articles in which this is bedded. That’s poor and lazy.

In that regard…

Have you looked in the mirror lately, my dear~?

Yikes. There was a lore snippet about the Night Elves lifting the gender restrictions after the Third War. This was justified by their contact with other races.

Hm. Have you ever wondered why there were no night elf mages until Cata? Or warlocks until DF? Or Blood elf Warriors?

“Technical reasons”, yeah?

You’re sure it’s me? :wink:

Well, thank you. As for my “buddies” (= some people who apparently agree with me), I’m sure they’re awesome, but I don’t know any of them personally. I was also referring to more people, since I’m not the first one who has complained about Blizzard’s inconsistency.

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I reeeaallly want to see Void Elf paladins sapping their energy from a Void Naaru. Blood Knights gave up their edge, best let the Void Knights carry on that legacy!

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Yup, and not only us, but through out the forum history too. It even became a meme at some point about blizz’s story telling changing when ever convenient for them.

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So I guess Discipline Priests don’t exist then eh?
Or Void Elf Priests in general?

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In official lore, they did not exist. They existed for gameplay (cannot remove specs because of race) Due to the reaction of light and void (Same thing for forsaken)

This is why this is a retcon.

It’s not, you are just upset about headcannon. Discipline priests exist. Manari mages exist. People use elements opposed to each other in lore, there is no retcon it is just not the headcannon you had.

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It’s not headcanon, it was actually talked about in a dev interview. Forsaken in particular, while listing they felt the light abandoned them and all the symptoms of light exposure. Dev’s said they do not have holy/disc priests in their ranks. Alonsous foal at the time was not apart of the faction if your gonna reference him, and even he said in literature that channeling the light is extremely painful. And that is just channeling it. Unlike priests, paladins as a prequisite to becoming one, needs to be embued with light magic. (Do not confuse it with lightforging, which is basically being remade by the light)

I cannot tell if you have awful reading comprehension or are trolling. Those are firstly not opposed elements so are not relevant, and secondly are shown to be things that exist in the lore. We have seen undead priests, we have seen undead paladins. This does not support your argument, it explicitely says the opposite of what you want to argue for.

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So, you choose to attack instead of actually debating?

Actually it is. As forsaken is risien with a mix of necromatic (the part that animates the body) and void magic (The part that anchors their soul to the body)

Which I just stated:

  1. Not apart of the forsaken society
  2. is extremely painful for undead to use (due to void being apart of what makes them exist)
  3. The only examples of it existing is not within their faction
  4. They do not worship light.

Lorewise, all forsaken priests are shadow priests.

That wanted to commit suicide for good reasons.

uhh, it does? But it comes off as no surprise being that you choosen to attack rather then discuss.

No it does not. The light would literally cause so much pain for them to use that their continued existence is unhumane, which is why said paladin your refering to wants to unalive.

the lore is moving to retcon that part so you can have your void paladins and undead paladins without the negative side effects of the recent hard magic rules. It’s a retcon, plain cut and dry as a desert.

If you don’t have any positive feed-back without resorting to insults and attacks, then I’m done with you.

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It explictely says these things exist. Therefore, they are possible. Every forsaken doesn’t need to be praising the light 24/7 at a rave, the fact that it is possible demonstrates that it is, indeed, possible. Therefore, there is no retcon present.

Why can’t the Undead be paladins?

Ion: “the real answer here is that undead shouldn’t be able to be holy priests"

:smiling_face_with_tear:

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I cannot for the life of me understand why the same tired arguments keep coming from the “Alliance needs Blood Elf” zealots.

It also seems like they wait for the detractors to “disappear” and bring them up again.

They want anything to be what ever they wish it to be, while trashing the lore and other peoples fun and immersion.

At least blizz didn’t make a void using paladin that heals. That would be worse. void and light magic at that point might as well not even exist if that ever happens.

Easier to just change the graphics of these Void Knight’s powers to purple and blue. “Lore” is a crappy reason to gatekeep classes from races. Update things to fit and create new “lore.”

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It’s also not the actual lore, just some people’s headcannon. As we can see from things like Discipline Priests, which have been pointed out time and time again.

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Ehh void elf can be priests and undead can also be priests, which should 100% both be impossible.

The whole “infused with the light” is a bs straw man.

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