Void Elf Paladin - This NPC Needs Fixing

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I didn’t write that. I’d like you to read it again and respond to the implied question this time.

No. “Fight the whispers” is exclusivley void. A big part of the story of the void elves is about resisting them. You don’t have that anywhere else.

The Lightbound are zealots, but they do not hear any voices. They do what they do because they think it’s a good thing.

Abbendis was declared insane after she claimed that the light spoke to her. In the end, it was Mal’Ganis.

Arthas began to lose his powers after the culling of Stratholme because of that. It’s canon. Surely it depends on the ‘point of view’ of the wielder whether he’s a good guy or not. But I didn’t make myself clear there, sorry.

Wasn’t arcane all in for order and fel for chaos?
Old Gods / Black Empire surely had also a huge thing for mind slaves.
But I was actually refering to the “effects on beings” with this part of my post. And when I call it evil, I’m referring to the player’s point of view.

Where does it say that it was only a few days?

Learning to wield this healing force takes years of discipline, as it is necessary to learn to abnegate oneself through meditation, in order to become conduits for the Light.
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Light

So why can’t she wield the light, too?

I noticed that the character has light-coloured skin. Is she even a Void Elf? You can see a lot of high elves at the side of the void elves, too.

I’m providing sources and I’m taking time to explain them. Some things in the game are conflicting. This naturally raises some questions about how to deal with that. You say it’s possible because it’s there; the OP (and me) says it’s a continuity error and shouldn’t be possible. This is the reason for our discussion here. But you cannot use the accused continuity error itself as proof that it’s not a continuity error. This is a a circular argument.

Where exactly is the quoted conclusion logically wrong?
My evidence is here:

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Void#Effects_on_beings

(Effects on beings, final paragraph)

Yes. You’re absolutley right about that. Why bother buying and reading everything, sucking in the worldbuilding, if it’ll be thrown out the next time? It’s annoying.

Well, that’s a nice way of romanticising Incontinuity. Chronicles, for example, contains blatant retcons in terms of cosmology that are especially noticeable when playing classic. These retcons have an impact when they retroactively influence something that was written on a completely different foundation.

Rewriting is not revealing.

If new writers ignore lore that the original creators set up and I can prove it, then I actually know better. The only exception is if it comes from Metzen himself or is authorised by him. But I’m criticising retroactive continuity.

I’d like to mention in passing that I’m arguing for a position that isn’t unique to me. The only question is whether I can adequately present it.

Yes, but the entire curicible is ultimately about gameplay, isn’t it? It serves no narrative purpose other than giving you more traits. Oh, and if there is no other counter-evidence, I would accept that type of screenshot. But the screenshot is the reason for the discussion.

I meant that. Sorry for being unclear.

This sounds reasonable per se. However, I must point out that, according to the source, the dark magic that attaches the soul to the undead’s body is what makes the light so painful to them. So this part is more like a physical reaction than a psychological one.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Void#Effects_on_beings

How does that fit together?

Undead holy priests must be very righteous in their own eyes if the second quote is true. Creating such a character in a plausible way is extremely difficult and, in my opinion, not quite possible among the Forsaken, yes. The concept of undead priests of light is often criticised and even has been described by Blizzard as an extreme rarity.

I’d also like to point out that the healing was physical, with the senses being restored. There wasn’t said anything about emotions.
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Ask_CDev (Round 2, upper mid)

But it makes sense in my opinion. The Light heals their flesh when used correctly, but it also burns the void within them.

I’d also like to point out that the Broken are unable to use the light because the Fel has deformed their bodies. Even if they were only exposed to it, they did not use it. Of course, Fel isn’t the Void. But the Void is even more opposed to the Light (and look at the explanation why it harms the undead) Does it make sense that the Fel has this effect but not the Void?

Please reconsider and let me know if you still believe this argument applies.

Yes, sure. But wasn’t this more of a case of corruption?

Note that the need of balance doesn’t imply compatibility.

But I assume that is what you mean by foreshadowing. If this were true, I’d like to know why the two powers are constantly portrayed as diametrically opposed and at war with one another. That kind of twist would be Jailer-worthy imo.

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The Light is usable as long as the person who is WIELDING it, believe that they are doing the right thing, and that they are worthy.

It’s why Anduin can’t use the light in TWW

They are Void Elves, in the same way Alleria is one.

Not to mention we have a Blueberry Elf that is a Paladin

But regardless of that all.

This is no different then Sunwalker Tauren or Ztroll Prelates.

Twilight Light, is a type of light it seems, and it’s being used with the same visuals as paly for gameplay.

Same with Orc Priests. Cannonically they do Spirit Talking and Spirit Work as per the NPCs, but it looks like light in game.

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How about 99% hates calia.

Feel better?

Light and void needs each other to exist, but cannot exist in the same space. They cannot mix without an agent to seperate them. embuing yourself with both is essentially putting both magics in the same space without anything to seperate them. This isn’t new lore. Nor is it “headcanon” Even if they are not opposing magics, they would have to compete each other for that space.

Also, you had not once cited one aota of lore your spewing out. Practice what you preach.

Says the guy not knowing his lore. This is a retcon

She is, she even mentions she just started her path into the void in a npc text.

He said the thing I’ve been talking about. Blizz does so much retcons, that no one cares about world building anymore lol.

There is one thing even if we account this thing for lore people don’t talk about, it don’t just use void and light, it has a third agent, arcane magic. The arcane magic is the stabilizer, meaning it keeps the light and void seperate to prevent them from reacting.

I see people keep referring to outland broken. The disease that was used to deform them was actually a mutation of a disease that originated from a deity that had connection to the void, you can find it’s corpse in WoD dreanor in the spire.

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Unlike you, I DID Cite my lore.

The citation is in the game, I listed the ZONE and the NPCs who talk about it.

Nothing is being retconned, from the last decade at least with this lore.

So unless you’re going to actually cite your HEADCANNON.

You’re just trolling with no actual knowledge of the Lore.

Espeacially since you’re trying to act like me telling you EXACTLY where to find the Lore, isn’t a good enough citation for you, because you’re too lazy to log into the game, and talk to the NPCs.

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I sure didn’t. you can also look up alonsous foal’s qoutes on how he feels when using light. You only seemed to have mentioned the netherlight crucible without mentioning there is a third agent seperating/stabilizing the light and void magic. So I’ll give you credit to maybe being partially being correct while currupting the source.

oh it is indeed being retconned, even going as early as alleria’s short story and light novels.

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Void elf paladins are fine.

Just like how fel and shadow are volatile and cause massive explosions under the right condition (see Xhul’horac from Hellfire Citadel), while warlocks cast shadow and fel magics together all the time and man’ari Eredar don’t explode when they cast a shadowbolt.

This honestly feels like the same tired argument that tries to justify that undead can’t be paladins, while there have been undead paladin npcs since vanilla.

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I cited Alonsus’ Quests

Nice Try, they support me, not you.

I’ve listened to read/both of them.

No where does it say Void Elves can’t use the light.

It’s literally an assumption ie: headcannon.

Again you’re wrong.

Or you can provide exact page and quotation citations.

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The irony of this statement considering your stance is hilarious.

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They must do away with the “4 Olds.” Search that and you will understand.

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Did you do see how Ashbringer was created at all? The light and void are two sided of a coin. And neither are inherently good or evil.

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From whose point of view?

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It doesn’t imply anything. Much like forsaken with holy magics, it explicitly demonstrates that they can use it.

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Two extremes in direct conflict yes.

Not just their existence.

This isn’t lore. Light is effective against undeath because its effective against the undead. There is no void component.

When shes recently actively used her powers yes. However neither can the Undead use the Light without pain either so this is a null issue. This isn’t in contention nor would it keep the void elves from using the Light.

Says the dogma, but since Void Elves literally are designed to shed doubt on that concept and we’ve seen several times now that what we believe isn’t always the full truth thats not helpful to you.

We learn more and better ways to interact with the cosmic forces as we progress.

Citation? There isn’t any evidence the Void Elves cannot use the Light. In fact we now have confirmation that they can.

That was the direct goal of that plague sent upon them. To sever their connection. Also Fel magic not Void.

Nothing has ever been stopping the Orcs from using the Light and the Light has been twisted countless times by the Fel with few adverse effects any more annoying than pain. Fel beings can indeed use the Light, which is also something already confirmed by Blizzard.

Void and Light as extremes do not mix. However using the Light and Void has been in wow since vanilla, especially in discipline priests, and is seen several other times. Even Wrathion used the Light and Void magic to create the potion that can suppress the Voids control. That didn’t explode either.

A void naaru’s heart was used. They go in cycles of Light and Void. The Sunwell is a doorway between both. I’d bet you anything we’ll find more out about that in Midnight too.

Tell that to the Wild Gods I guess. lol

Being of Life dead that rebirth? Life and Death are a circle. There is no reason to believe the other cosmic powers don’t also make circles. Especially the Light since the biggest purveyors of the Light literally exist in a cycle of Light and Void.

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What is my stance pretell?

I’ve noticed hardlines like to box me in, so please let me know what box I am in.

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Yes and I think what most people clamoring about with this point is, that for some reason they believe a large swath of Forsaken would prefer to do that. They do not.

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In truth, I honestly have no idea. I think I literally had a different post that I was responding to in my mind, and I even edited the post.

The Draenei’s definitely out of line with the hardlining however.

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Without citing the amount of pain he goes through… sure you did…

So your choosing to ignore the parts where the couple literally go in pain when alleria is using the void? (Turalyon cannot turn off his light because paladin)

You can keep making that claim, don’t make it right though.

It does imply there is symptoms on forsaken use of holy magic, devs even corrolate with it back when it was asked in an well documented interview on the symptoms of using holy magic as an undead.

It is 200% worse on undead paladins, as they cannot turn off their light usage.

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There is also the feeling of most forsaken beleiving the light abandoned them. Which is why they founded (or re-established it due to legion retconing) the church of the forgotten shadow. Peopme forget forsaken is shadow worship first above all else now.

Rare extremes exist sure, but the common denominator is no, they do not worship light.

And i will call it now the arguement “but our pc is not the common, nor is it from the common people of that race” card here.

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I literally talked about his skin burning, having bugs crawl inside of him, and the rotting flesh smell when talking about.

You just can’t read.

You’re trying to disprove things I’ve given you the proof for.

So unless you can give an exact quotation, with page markers or timestamps in the case of the Alleria story.

Then all you’re doing is admitting you’re a sad lonely troll, who can’t stand that the lore supports something you don’t like, and has for years.

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