No it doesn’t. Vanilla, when undead were voidal creations, they could use the light in Naxx IN LORE. The light does whatever you believe it does for you. That’s how it’s always worked. The Scarlet Crusade are so zealous they can make themselves into light horrors, a literal voidal horror recolored yellow. Because the light and the void are the same coin, that’s why Naru go through a cycle. It’s been in the lore since Vanilla.
Makes sense you’re on a level 10 alt given you never played that quest. Explosions have literally nothing to do with it. It’s the light DRAWING IN the void that was a concern. Because the Light and the Void are again, two sides of the same coin. One without the other causes problems. Which is why discipline priests exist.
It’s so blindingly obvious and it’s only going to be more blatant in the world soul saga.
I do, do you know how a disc priest and a paladin aren’t the same? Priests aren’t directly fused with the light, whereas the paladin is. They may both use the light, but how they use it is vastly different. Disc priests walk a fine line to maintain balance between their connection to the light and shadow. Paladins have no such balance.
Yeah, that’s the point. There is no plausible reason for a paladin or light priest to believe that using the void is a good thing, because the void is inherently evil, contradicts their own teachings, and is extremely cruel. Zelik (your Naxx reference) does not break this rule because his body was forced against his own, still-existent will.
It is also worth noting that faith must be especially strong. If this were not the case, any ordinary nitwit could cast the light or shadow if he was only convinced of himself, including the average warrior. Void and light are apprently diametrically opposed in terms of faith and conviction so you can’t have both at the same time. It’s like someone claiming to be an extreme supporter of both Trump and Biden. But go on, try and create an authentic and plausible character who is like Uther and Cho’gall at the same time, I’m waiting.
The fact that void and light consume each other is emphasised several times. Source 1-18, 20: Light burns void / void consumes light Source 19: Light doesn’t burn void / void doesn’t burn light (<- inconsistent, narrative error)
The claim that both are possible at the same time is a narrative error. In terms of discipline, I’m not aware of any quests that seek a balance of light and shadow. The only spec-based quest is for the artefact weapon, which is scarlet / pure light.
never used the void.
they’re opposites. Where does the “same coin” nonsense come from?
they’re never both at the same time.
Same result so it doesn’t matter. The explosion argument is the conclusion to the cosmic story mentioned above your post.
^ Unironically this. If SL proved anything; it’s that even the most BS nonsense can still happen. Besides, a void touched paladin wouldn’t be the most insane thing the writers have done. (I’m looking at YOU, Light touched Nathrezim)
Oh believe me, I’m in full support of this. Classes are trainable, so that means anyone with a will to pursue the career should be able to do it. It ain’t hard to explain either, some napkin lore rectifies all of the ‘impossible’ away.
People in support of racial restrictions on classes are simply lacking the will to imagine a way past any present barriers.
Yes there is. We have way crazier people. Are you telling me the Scarlet Crusade believing genocide is cool is MORE plausible than “hey maybe these space powers aren’t entirely antithetical to each other?” Not everyone is an orc, or a religious human. Elves used to DRAIN THE LIGHT from Naru. Please, for the love of god, stop presenting every living thing on Azeroth, a SCIENCE FANTASY world as being from medieval Europe.
factually false and deluded take.
Literally the only faith that believes this is the human one. The elves and the rest do not. The only reason Silvermoon dislikes the void is because it is attracted to the Light, which their sunwell is made of that they’re reliant on. Please play the game.
bro what do you think paladins are. Warriors who were taught how to use the light with a little bit of faith- Turalyion literally went from “The light isn’t for me” to wielding it like a BA once he learned orcs were aliens.
Paladins were made by taking the average warrior and having him pray. BAM. Instant light powers. It was never about being “super religious” it was always about strength of will, not “High belief in faith.”. it’s just that faith lends itself towards strength of will.
no they aren’t.
Yes you can.
Again, Discipline priests exist. They wield light and shadow at the same time.
90% of statistics are made up on the spot.
Source 1-100000000000000: “The light can do anything, if you believe it can”
Source 0: “The light cannot do X no mater how hard you believe because I said so” - You
I don’t think you’re a reliable source.
There are hundreds of quotes of the Light being “Righteous” because the person wielding it thinks they’re using it for good. But the light doesn’t care for good or evil, it can be used for either, as long as you believe. Or do you think the Scarlet Crusasde is “not evil” as they’re literally masterminded by a dreadlord.
You don’t get this at all.
Naru literally exist.
So you acknowledge they’re two halves of the same coin then. You lost.
You have literally NEVER paid attention to the story- “The child of light and shadow” come on man this has been in the game for EVER.
Of course. I don’t know anything about the Scarlets’ genocide, other than the forsaken; please provide a source, but an elemental part of their zealotry was their extreme intolerance and hostility toward dark magic users, since it’s “against the light”. So it makes no sense that they would have such individuals among their own ranks.
I’m not sure where you got that from. I never said that. But I am all for consistent stories with believable characters. I have no desire for trash fanfiction in my favorite RPG.
it’s the way it’s portrayed in Warcraft all the time.
Chronicles
Voidlords
Old Gods
Twilight Hammer
orange text in shadow spells
But yes, to call the motivation to devour everything and kill or enslave everyone evil is ofc entirely subjective. You’ve really made a point there.
Humans, dwarves, draenei, and former high elves. The dwarves and high elves got it from humans. The relationship between humans and draenei is interesting. Despite coming from completely different worlds, their fundamental teachings about light and conclusions about the morality of good and evil are nearly identical, as is their dislike of the void. This leads us to conclude that the basic requirements are universal.
As for the Blood Knights… they’ve always been able to cheat. So, if they don’t share the same belief system, they simply use arcane magic to absorb / manipulate the light from the Sunwell, as they did with the Naaru previously. It’s not faith-based, then.
Behind this is a whole training programme to become a priest and a knight. That’s why Tom, the devout city guard, can’t cast light when I stab him with my undead rogue.
dodged my task because u can’t do it.
Ugh, “go play the game”. Do I really have to look that up now? It will surely take some time to gather everything.
Yes, but you have to dig deeper to truly understand what “good” means in that context and how lightwielders determine what is good and what is not. A character’s moral compass and how it developed are critical components of a successful story.
If you don’t do it and just say “well, he thinks it’s good, period” it’s trash.
I’m still not sure what that means or how effective it is as an argument. Dualism requires two sides, correct. However, there remain two opposing sides.
They killed everyone that wasn’t a member of the scarlet crusade.
This is space orcs game my guy. If you weren’t expecting this from the same company that brought Green Jesus I dunno.
what? is a sword evil because someone uses it to commit cannibalism? The void is not a sentient energy. The light is not pure good is it?
Not the dark irons.
I don’t think the high elves ever actually had a faith like that. They believed in magic.
The conclusion is simpler. The Naru. Also bad writing.
The “Training program” was extremely short and required little actual fatih.
Okay, if the light is a monolith, please tell me how Uther and Whitemane are the same person. The void is pure evil and can’t be mixed with the light- ergo the opposite is true, the Light is pure good and can’t be mixed with evil. I’m not dodging because your question is frankly stupid. You don’t have to be cho’gall levels of evil to use the void. Alleria exists. She fought alongside the lightforged. There, A void user like Uther. Done.
Or you could look at the evidence in game that exists right now, at the start of this thread, that confirmed what people knew for ages.
How do you think the Scarlet Crusade uses the light?
Arathor now, apparently. This duality of light and dark being used together has been a thing since Vanilla. There is a reason priests get the shadow spec. The Light and the Void are tools.
The game has long been trying to make the case that “Light is not inherently good” and “dark is not evil” tropes. And that the true path to enlightenment is to marry the two concepts. “The child of dark and light” is a prophecy almost explicitly stating this is the way the story ends, with someone who can wield both in perfect union.
The netherlight crucible is also a thing? We use the powers of a Naru and a Fallen Naru together to upgrade our equipment with: “The powers of light and shadow”???
Either way, any concept of “Oh, they explode if they use it” went out the door ages ago. Void elves can be Warlocks (which use Fel, which very violently explode when in contact with eachother), they can also be holy priests, and Draenei and their lightbulb variants can be warlocks and shadow priests. The entire priest orderhall in Legion, in addition to the Netherlight Crucible was a whole deal of Shadow and Light being simply different forces that were neither good or evil and neither could exist without the other.
The fact some of you guys are still clinging onto your weird head-canons as to what should be, as you’re proved time and time again that your obsessive gatekeeping isn’t working, is hilarious.
Nobody whines this hard about the idea of a Forsaken paladin. Never have. And oops, they’re cheering for Blood Elf druid too.
Moment paladins are unlocked for all races, I’ll likely be main swapping for the first time, and I’ll be tossing Darkfallen into the mix too to make it an even more unhinged and dangerous concept.
Maintain the balance.
So glad to see the majority’s no longer supporting the garbage gatekeeping mentalities.
One person’s ‘believable character’ is another person’s ‘trash fanfiction’. I could easily square Light-wielding Voidies or Holy Undead in my head, and ‘consistency’ is a fallacy; there’s always an exception. The PC might as well be able to benefit from it.
This isn’t the RTS, we aren’t rank-and-file. We’re at least as special as the chief NPCs, they just can’t account for what we are.
The naruu seem to be able to flip from beings of light to beings of void without exploding. Perhaps there’s a way for paladins to similarly flip their polarity back and forth but in a more controlled way?
I’d assume a mastery of the Void might well include a perk like being able to segregate Void energy from Light energy within oneself to avoid the antimatter boom-booms.
it’s the way it’s portrayed in Warcraft all the time.