I wonder if it was a good idea to restore the sunwell. Maybe belves should try not to be so dependent from it?
They were almost wiped out when Arthas invaded their lands, and the reason was because he wanted to use the sunwell.
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Incorrect again, the sunwell isnât a nuke that instantly makes every elf connected to it insane with withdrawal if it is destroyed. The Blood Elves had an entire arc of trying to find ways to stave off magical addiction, at the point they are at now they know how to deal with it due to advice from Illidan and their own research. Close to zero of the high elf and blood elf population would die, this isnât post arthas where their entire city is destroyed and everything is in utter chaos.
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I mean in another thread you just made the claim Elves and trolls were effected by the curse of flesh in an attempt to make a reach that all natural options are Void options.
I think Iâll go with Softsongs take on a race sheâs more than once displayed knowledge of the lore on.
This makes me think of TL too, Quelâthalas was isolated post Arthas, not only is what you pointed out true but also I have full faith that our allies like coughs Nightborne would step in as well to help.
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Biggest question to me is always how is it possible BE warlocks are allowed but VE were kicked out? Like obviously the political alignment part is significant butâŚultimately BE warlocks are harnessing the Void and Fel which are also both threats to the Sunwell. And would it even be possible for BE warlocks to be empowered by the Light at all?
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Lore⢠by Blizz
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You guys put up Moonwells wherever you goâŚ
Not to mention that I remember seeing text from quests of them talking that they learned a lot from what happened with the Sunwell as far as I know.
For the same reason Forsaken Holy priests donât scream in agony each time they cast spells.
Gameplay trumps lore. Thatâs something theyâve always said. And possibly the only thing Blizz has been actually consistent with.
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Also I would imagine Warlocks arenât hanging out right by the Sunwell?
Like they were a thing prior to its restoration and continue to operate under the watch of I would assume Quelâthalas itâs not like their running rampant or breaking laws?
Void Elves broke the law did they not? They werenât operating under the guidelines of anything and the Void transformation that occurs as a result of their recklessness and inability to follow Silvermoons (Rommaths?)directives is a bigger threat then Warlocks operating under what I assume to be some sort of organization, are they technically Magisters too? Do magisters keep track of the warlocks?
Idk I definitely feel like there is a difference but I doubt their summoning or using any reckless magic by the Sunwell and I donât see how or why theyâd be not allowed if theyâve been active productive members of society prior to its restoration and now post restoration, which is in stark contrast to the VEs as well as the resulting void transformation posing an issue, why should people who have undergone that transformation that poses an active threat be allowed to stay when theyâve already displayed they wonât operate safely / obey the laws basically.
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Blood elfs should have vulperaâs style tails!
They only broke a law in that they were told to stop playing around with a dangerous magic and refused.
Warlocks donât use void quite the same way that a void elf would end up doing so, and probably donât cause a similar reaction from the Sunwell, not only that as you say theyâre likely not allowed terribly close to the Sunwell without supervision.
Honestly though, the exiling of Umbric and his followers seems really hypocritical⌠Just keep em off the Isle of Quelâdanas⌠Not like Blood Elves are strangers to dangerous magics⌠be it fel or blood magics or even more arcane ones. Hell they sucked the Light out of a NaaruâŚ
I get being cautious with the Sunwell, but outright kicking them out for studying the void seems ridiculous to me.
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I mean I think itâs what you said above that
Like they were studying from Darkhans left over works?
I can see why theyâd be cast out for that.
There seems to be a clear distinction of what the VEs were doing as being too far, itâs all fine until someone goes too far is sort of how I view this situation. It gives very âweâre all for a good time but we donât play like thatâ type of vibes itâs not that they are being hypocritical itâs just Void Elves take it too far.
Alleria being an indicator of their fears for the Void, coupled with a groups refusal to operate within the guidlines of their society, if they wanted darker Magicâs they could in theory just be BE warlocks and would have that darker angle while still operating within Quelâthalas.
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There is some confusion there. Iâm unsure from how Blizzard framed this all if the studying of Darkhans research was before or after their initial exile.
If it was before then sure I can see that. Its still hypocritical I think in that case. Just because theyâre using Darkhans research doesnât mean theyâre evil and going to give Arthas the keys to the kingdom.
Blood Elves are still no strangers to such studies.
I think it can be both. Rommath is not perfect in every way and political views on a traitors research can easily be viewed as evil for no other reason than the guy was a traitor. Despite the potential use of his work.
Now there are clearly moral issues and ethical ones here, but given the Blood Elves history⌠yeah to me it still feels hypocritical of them.
Mind I donât mind nor do I blame them.
Keep in mind Alleria was AFTER Umbric and his followers were exiled.
For Umbric and his followers they sought another source of power to protect their people or to increase their own personal power. Its not really any different than most other Blood Elves.
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I feel like yes their research of a traitors work in particular triggers a more intense reaction sure.
But whether itâs official if they studied his work or not explicitly before or after the exile would it not have still been known he was heavy into the Void? Going too far with void magic even if you donât explicitly say Iâm studying Darkhan might still be viewed as bad.
And I think itâs unfair to view Rommath as being overly touchy on the subject or unfair when in hindsight he ended up being right, Alleria was a threat actively to the Sunwell, and the Void Elves were reckless and shouldnât have been studying the Void. If weâre engaging in speculation of what seems unfair I think it has to be taken into account Rommath was in the right in hindsight which skews the narrative in my opinion of it not being an overreaction or hypocritical at all, because there is an element of going too far with Void Elves which is a detriment to the Kingdom of Quelâthalas and the reignited Sunwell that its people use.
Oh I know that but what I mean is if youâre speculating on the idea of fairness to act on this issue we need to take into account Rommath was right.
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The actual threat to QuelâThalas is the Jailer, who was actually behind all of its tragedies including the legion, and the scourge. Too bad Rommath wasnât able to figure that out, instead serving as a pawn for the Lich Queen.
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No one could have foreseen the jailer.
That still doesnât make VEs a non threat, Rommath was still correct about VEs.
Bringing up an related reach of a point doesnât disregard the point of exiling Void Elves being within the bounds of reason given their active threat and recklessness.
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The forsaken, with their city-ending blights, are far more of a threat. All it would take is for another evil entity to control them like so many times before.
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Thatâs pure speculation on your end, because the forsaken themselves have proven to be allies to the Blood Elves.
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Hard to say exactly.
Blizzard honestly doesnât give us much to work with.
It must have been known he was studying it to a greater degree than say your average shadow priest cultist. Cause otherwise none of this would have happened.
The simple fact that Blood Elves though are not afraid to look into dangerous magics for their survival like Fel, or dangerous Arcane is more the reason I think its hypocritical.
That said, many Blood Elves didnât know how far their people had gone in Outland and in the City only the use of Fel Crystals was really a thing. Sure theyâre clearly more accepting of warlocks these days than they were but thats not much of a change overall.
Being right in hindsight is a poor balm to the hypocritical wound. Its not that he was wrong or right. Its that he was claiming the study and/or use of a dangerous magic was bad when he himself brought the knowledge of how to drain magic from living things to keep his own people alive.
That said, he was WELL aware the price of such things. He could easily have wanted them to stop for that alone. For knowing where it could lead.
Again I do not blame them I just personally think its a bit hypocritical.
Like I said its not about him being right or wrong.
And the order of events is also equally important.
100% not important and a total aside⌠why you bringing this up?
That doesnât reflect well on you. lol
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Allies donât trick allies into fighting a war to feed the jailorâs armies.
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The Forsaken didnât trick anyone. Their leader betrayed them allâŚ
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Why did they develop the blight, then?
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