To kill the scourge and any of those countless living peoples who wanted to kill them regardless of their freedom.
You expect them to sit and let the Scarlets and Scourge to attack uncontested?
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Why would the order of events matter here his hunch was correct do we have any idea of how in depth that hunch was? I could speculate it was a bigger hunch then it was and you could speculate he had relatively nothing to go on so it feels hypocritical. I would say the TL in this case doesnât matter if his hunch ended up being correct wouldnât that be Blizzards way of confirming his stance on VEs as being of sound reasoning.
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Fair point that we have too little to go on to actually judge.
The Timeline of events matters, you canât decide to kill someone because they may be a murderer.
If they were just studying the void then got exiled, found Darâkhans research, and then Alleria affects the Sunwell, its a different thing than if they were studying the void, then Darâkhans research, then exiled, then Alleria.
The result regardless is the same, but the decision to exile them makes either less or more sense depending on when the events occur.
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No but you do act on suspicion of murder? Thatâs why people are called suspects in a murder case or you go on trial? They may not have been put on trial but I recall they were told to stop or not do that.
They werenât just exiled on the spot were they? I was under the impression were warned? And then actively proceeded breaking the law.
Thatâs a bit different then making a case to kill someone with no proof of being a murderer.
Itâs not hypocritical to knowingly prosecute people you know broke the law?
But youâre arguing the law itself basically was hypocritical but we canât know that because we donât know how in depth Rommaths hunch was but what we do know is he ended up being correct.
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Thats true too and certainly works with my comparison. The point is Umbric being exiled because he might cause an issue with little proof is different than Alleria showing up and causing an issue, then Rommath saying that he was right in having those void researchers exiled.
Rommath was right in the end. The Void Elves are likely a danger to the Sunwell, and their people, but when he exliled them and what his proof and reasoning were does matter.
And I still think its a little hypocritical of them personally. Blood Elves are all about doing what they need to to survive. But sometimes being hypocritical isnât the wrong choice.
Rommath knew the dangers probably better than anyone using dangerous magics at all costs without heed.
He was right in the end.
I canât tell from what Iâve found on it⌠Maybe someone else round here has that information.
From what I can gather they were studying it and kicked out for refusing to stop when told to.
Iâm unsure when they started working with Darâkhans research, and exactly when they reached the Rift.
Blizzard didnât give us hard information on this topic unfortunately. Weâre not even entirely sure how long ago it was.
No, thats entirely fair.
I probably should have come up with a better comparison.
Yeah more or less.
I think I summed that up earlier in this specific post but yeah.
Like I said though being hypocritical is not always a bad thing. Sometimes its needed.
The Blood Elves have come a long ways from needing to do anything and everything to survive. Research like that may have been perfectly acceptable at one time. Now its a danger.
EDIT: Softsong has been writing a reply for a looong time and I am afraid. lol
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Lol, for real, Iâve done two battlegrounds already. 
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I was gonna add this too rn when I saw you replying.
I feel like itâs hypocritical if weâre comparing BC era Blood Elves (in other words I feel like your case is stronger if that was the BE society we were still comparing the Void Elf era to), but current BEs arenât moving in that direction any longer.
We can make the argument warlocks were grandfathered in and continue to be acceptable because theyâve been productive members who fight for Quelâthalas (the player character isnât former Kael Elves right or anyone who sided with the Legion unless you RP that way) , but otherwise they arenât resorting to darker paths to survive anymore, so to say to be against deep void Magicâs is hypocritical I feel like thatâs unfair because itâs holding someone to a standard they donât represent themselves anymore, no one can argue they are those same BC era BEs the narrative has shifted.
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Youâre absolutely right. Context of the times is extremely important in these sorts of things.
People have the right to move on from where they were.
Though in some aspects they also have a responsibility to own up to the things their past selves did.
I can see that viewpoint.
Though I may not share it exactly I do think you have a very good point.
And I want to be clear while I say theyâre hypocritical, I do not mean it as negative.
The Blood Elves have come a long ways and needing to turn back on something they would once have accepted is entirely valid.
The narrative, as you say, has shifted considerably. Blood Elves are now among the most respectable races in the world and have bled and been burned to get there. If Blizzard were to give them better more indepth stories when they do things like exile members of their society I think weâd all see that.
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Iâve been trying final fantasy for the first time today, Iâm still undecided on it but Iâm going to give it a decent try, when Iâve gone to other mmos that werenât wow both SWTOR and eso have voice acting Iâm accustomed to that so far Iâm not seeing.
Anyways makes for something different while Iâm checking the thread here, still kinda not about grinding anima it certainly doesnât make WoW seem fun for me lately.
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I just can imagine Rommath keeping a comfy chair by the entrance to the sanctum where the Sunwell is, a baseball bat leaning against its side, and Rommath sitting there with arms crossed and a scowl on his face, while surrounded by signs that say âNo Warlocks allowedâ.
But seriously though, with how Rommath is, specially when it comes to the Sunwell, it would make sense for him to keep extra surveillance around warlocks to ensure they donât get close. Granted, this is my speculation, but one I feel makes sense.
It does seem like a stretch, but I guess thatâs all they got with the elementary school level writing.
The whole thing with Blood Elves is that theyâre never afraid of using power for their own benefit (Blood golems⌠I wish weâd see those againâŚ), so it does feel out of character.
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The only reason Iâm still here is that I like the art style, leveling alts via bgs (WoW has decent pvp for an MMO, and that my husband is playing Mass Effect so I donât get the big box for the foreseeable future.
But. Seriously, Blizzard. Customization is content for me. I will absolutely level a character for a cool look.
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I mean, itâs been their thing for as long as theyâve been elves.
Here is a dangerous magic thing and Iâm going to lick it.
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I mean itâs totally fair, and especially in the context of people questioning how warlocks exist in BE society as some sort of a gotcha to allude to VEs in some way despite the fact that the player character would be a warlock that has fought for Quelâthalas and been a productive member of its society and operated under what ever laws they might have. Edit to add I feel like itâs safe to assume that like the player character the warlock NPCs would be under that same umbrella as far as warlocks that have been operating in Quelâthalas and have shown to be loyal (they didnât side with Kael for example).
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I mean which Elves are we arguing?
In general? Or just Thalassian Elves because Thalassian Elves are the only ones that in this context matter and I donât think it could ever be said Blood Elves/High Elves donât take the Sunwell seriously and feel protective over it. In this case to the detriment of seeking darker magics.
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Might be one of th reason I like them
Each time I see a mysterious clickable thing out in the world I go âHmmmmâ while Iâm walking towards it all while my guildie goes âDonât touch itâŚâ.
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I believe itâs implied that the light portion of the new Sunwell could someday cure them of their addiction to magic, although many elves are still reluctant to relinquish their ties to the arcane.
The new composition of the Sunwell offers Thalassian elves an interesting choice, continue to indulge themselves on the Arcane magic thatâs empowered and defined them as a race for thousands of years, or embrace the light and shed themselves from the shackles of addiction, but also their main source of power.
The Void elves are a good example of their raceâs worst impulses. Most elves saw the error in their ways when the Sunwell was restored, contemplating the evils they wrought in their conquest for power in the Sunwellâs absence.
Void elves on the other hand were not so easily convinced, and continued their reckless pursuit for power despite the many warnings from their people, leading them to consort with dangerous, and corruptive magics that almost led to their destruction. (Much like Kaelâthas, and his Felblood elves.)
Arcane, while not faultless, is certainly a far cleaner source of magic than many others. The Void might have freed them from their dependency on the Sunwell, but at a pretty heavy price. Their bodies now twisted by the nether, and their minds haunted by the ceaseless whispers of the void, theyâve simply swapped one avarice for another.
Who knows what sort of effect the purifying magics of the Sunwell will have on the race in the future, but itâs restoration has renewed the soul of their people, and brought many back from the brink of madness.
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In general.
The Ur-blood elves are the highborn, after all.
First of all, lack of arcane won´t make Belves âgo crazyâ (the ones hearing voices inside their heads are the Velves as per âThe Three Sistersâ comic dude, so get your lore facts right for starters), the canon effect of the lack of arcane is debilitating weakness⌠but their minds stay very much estable, tyvm.
Also, the âeven DIEâ part only applies to very sick, very old or very young individuals as per the current canon lore. What do you think happened between WC3 and TBC, hmm? Cause I don´t remember High / Blood elves dying en masse and becoming extinct after Kael blew up the Sunwell. It´s almost as if they survived and became playable in WoW 
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Just to get addicted to something worse than a rando arcane wellâŚ
It´s like saying Velves at least stopped being addicted to smoking while they ended up getting attached to coke, ffsâŚ
The Sunwell is a massive handicap but more from a cultural and socio political PoV (losing it nowadays won´t probably be a big deal biuologically speaking, they have 6 core races + allies races supporting them in the case they need to destroy the magical fount and will be less stressed. Also, they already know how to Mana Tap, soâŚ)
The way their society works on the other hand is still uncomfortably supported by the âlogistical advantagesâ of the Sunwell, so yes, destroying it would be probably a good thing in the long term.
BE warlocks, like Orc warlocks, aren´t openly addresed in Belf society. They exist but they probably pretend to be a regular Magister.
The actual intreresting fact is how the Belf Warlocks actually have had the mental acuity and discipline not to bother the Sunwell regardless of their practices (so many people that never read âBlood of the Highborneâ and don´t know about the âBalanceâ principle exposed by Rommath in that novella). Velves on the other hand channeled their inner rebel teenager and couldn´t act faster to ignore the orders of their superior⌠so maybe the Velves ARE a public hazard in Quel´thalas not because Void per se but because they ARE indisciplined, overconfident and reckless.
âBuut, buut!! Belves were reckless and Fel and Burning Legion!!!â⌠exactly dude, they played with THE chaotic cosmical source and got burned while at it. And they learned the lesson, maybe sometimes is important to check if the rewards are worth the risks. Velves represent the individuals that DIDN´T learned this lesson (and this is made evident at the end of the Velf intro scenario with that delicious dialogue said by Umbric in which he says âRommath was right!!â.
Warlocks don´t have creepy voices randomly telling them to murder people and family, Velves DO as per the âniceâ Three Sisters comic showed (I mean, the part about void telling Alleria to murder Turalyon or convert Veeresa were⌠instructing).
Not really when you realize they got exiled AFTWER they refused to obey their superior. A superior whose arguments got proven right at the end for the embarrasement of Umbric et al.
To put it simple they literally told the equivalent of the FDA âI want to sell cakes that have pesticide as one of the components and I refuse to change my product just because you have issues with it!!â. If anything, Umbric and his buddies must probably be grateful these are new times and a good guy like Lor´themar is the one in charge, in Kael´s times they would have gotten murdered and the menace they represented absolutely contained, period (if you disagree, check âGalellâ).
Yes, which illustrates how massively moronic Umbric acted. Imagine Alleria doesn´t go to Quel´thalas that particular day or that she gets a âmaybeâ and stays chatting with Lor´themar⌠the result is Umbric et al become Ethereals instead of Velves AND probably contribute to the Sunwell corruption intentions those Ethereals were concocting at the time.
No speculation Lann, Umbric SAYS Rommath was right in-game. That´s it. Nothing else is needed, the game aknowledged the issue, period.
Err⌠someone has not read âIn the Shadow of the Sunâ. Cause me clearly remembers Rommath makingn a HUGE fuss over Lor´themar trusting Sylvanas on that short story.
You know people, the problem for poor Rommath is that he is NOT the Regent Lord, he´s only the Grand Magister⌠so when Lor´themar wants to act like a softie and give merciful solutions to problems like Umbric or Alleria, he has to follow the Regent´s orders. And when he wants to rebel against threats like Sylvanas but his boss orders him to stay down because they can´t confront her (it was military and politically unwise to attack Sylvanas at the time), he has to follow orders too.
Do you people even pay attention to the story?
The lore surrouding the Velves in the intro scenario was NOT kind at all⌠it made them look like irresponsible reckless idiots and validated the Belf argument while at it.
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We assume it freed them anyways.
Technically there isnât a concrete bit of lore that actually states that.
Very much this.
Warlocks might have a demon whisper in their ears. Weâve known that to happen before too. Far less common though.
The whispers tell us the things that could be, and of course the Void wants to convert everything to its way. This is expected.
See my above thoughts.
Blood elves once sought power at any cost to save their people. Exiling others for the same is still hypocritical.
As Lann points out though, looking at it as though everything is still exactly as it was in TBC is not accurate. The blood elves have moved on and they have reason to be hypocritical to how they were then, now.
Umbric could never have forseen that.
Thats why it was a trap. lol
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I could be wrong but if you listen to Umbric talking during the war campaign it doesnât seem like he was all that distraught over being exiled.
What is your role in this campaign, magister?
As a magister, my duty has always been to Silvermoon and its people. When the mad Arthas devastated our lands, I knew we must harness every power available to ensure our survival.
Prince Kaelâthas proposed one way. I sought out another.
So you sought the power of shadow?
My followers and I felt no loyalty to the Horde. When Grand Magister Rommath forbade our Void research, we did not hesitate to break away and follow our own path.
But hubris got the best of me. I was certain I could master any force we encountered.
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