Venruki, the peoples champ has spoken ..... again

That makes no sense though, his gain is more people wanting to play the game. I dont know if you are blinded by content creator hate or you just dont understand.

So again, he said the issues are rewards and inflation. How does that not effect you

if all your toons are less than 1600 rated. You are being effected by bad inflation

Maybe im a bit cynical about it because of similar arguments in the destiny community but streamers often seem to want to be mixed in with the gen pop. Its good for the montages ya know. “it’s for the health of pvp” just seems like gaslighting sometimes. Maybe smurfing is a bigger problem over there but I doubt it.

okay i dont know if he did any gaslighting in that video he just said rewards suck and inflation sucks and blizzard need to do something about it

WOW pvp is so dead we pretty much only have this guy in terms of popular pvp content creator most of the others are not playing retail or quit.

I hardly watch streams anymore but Venruki is def one of them. He’s not yelling into the mic all the time and gives good advice and has good takes.

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I’m honestly not sure what would be the solution.

I’m struggling to climb myself, sometimes I do well, i reached 1600 on solo shuffle last week, and after that i have just been falling, meanwhile last week i was doing poorly on 2v2s, but this week i ranked win after win, yet, gaining like 15 points per win, i played a considerable ammount of time yet i barely progressed 100 points without any major loss.

I’m not sure if I’m getting better, worse, or is just a matter of team composition, am I being carried by my healer?

Maybe gains should be a tiny bit faster? So you still need to be consistent but takes less time? I’m one helmet away from completing the elite set, and I don’t ever use helmets, so I could call myself done, but I just want to be better at this point.

His gain could just be people watching and sharing his video, though. Should we assume a perfect one to one relationship between “content that median wow players consume on YouTube” and “good faith attempts to request dev changes to the game”?

Certainly. I’m saying his personal opinions of what he deems more or less important or valuable to the game is not inherently more valuable because of his possession of a platform. In fact it’s the opposite when in the creative space. You need to be extra careful when you adhere to or take in feedback from louder voices because they tend to amplify their opinions via proxy of the influence they have on their audience and not that they are voicing the opinions OF their audience. Ie an echoing chamber bias.

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Okay if that is your argument, then why would he argue in the video that inflation and rewards are a problem.

In his video point to a point where its all about gain and not about raising a issue, you have failed to show what he is doing to gaslight and just make 100 dollars off a 10k youtube video raising issues about wow pvp.

Again no developer listens to anybody recommendations, they listen to what people are frustrated with.

So in his video point out to one of his issues his raises that makes him a echo chamber and not reasonable or representive of the main issues we face in arena

This seems like an incorrect response to the question asked. It sounds like you took it as an outright accusation. Is venruki a personal hero of yours perhaps? Do open questions about his motivations feel like personal slights?

I can’t help but notice the multiple times in your last few responses where you attempt to demand more people watch the linked video. You can’t fail to know that doing so would generate more revenue for his channel, surely.

Okay, I totally get what you’re saying with this.

That’s a tall claim for you to make about any subject

3s is easier than shuffle this season for rewards.

You said his video carries more weight and is more likely to be acknowledged by blizzard. I’m telling you that his platform is more likely to reach blizzard but the contents of the videos or twitch stream comments etc etc do not carry any more intrinsic value than feedback from other sources that blizzard is privy to.

The second half of my comment there was not explicitly referring to venruki but that if you are a game developer in this case, you absolutely need to approach public / popular figures with an audience with the necessary amounts of scrutiny. By your logic, if in the event that venruki does decide to release a more off the cuff video or say something on twitch that is far more deeply rooted in a personal desire for the game, blizzard should inherently weight it more heavily because he is popular, which is absurd.

I know the kind of response I’m opening myself up to here, but to be completely honest, most of what I’ve seen from venruki in YouTube form is pretty damn low hanging fruit surface level common sense suggestions (good or bad) that I’m pretty sure blizzard is well aware of by the time he decides to make a video on it. You associating blizzards inaction with venrukis videos is what I found ridiculous.

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This wouldn’t work, for the simple reason that bad players would continue to be low ranked relative to good players. They’d be locked out of the rewards the same as now.

The idea that people should be able to fail upwards isn’t a good one. It drives a lot of problems in society and has no place in a competitive environment. When you add that element the game is no longer competitive an therefore not worth playing.

Which is why I called Ven an idiot socialist, the idea that equity of outcome not equality of opportunity to compete is important. There could be and are a myriad of reasons PvP isn’t popular. When I see someone, particularly a streamer farming views and subs come with a “this one thing will fix PvP” I immediately know that fixing PvP is a smokescreen for something else. That’s the second or third Ven VOD linked here where he’s whining about rewards. I’m Canadian as well, I understand why he does this but disagree with it. Up here all sorts of idiocy is validated so it’s easy to see why someone like him would think that losing should be validated by “failing up.”

If you want rewards win. It gets no easier than that. You don’t have to win all your games either just stay positive win rate and you climb. That’s good enough tbh.

Echo. Chamber.

Make your own game.

Create your own economy & rules.

Let’s sub to it & see how successful all your glorious ideas are!

I’ll wait. :smiley:

circus main act tier response

Take your own advice trashcan.

Milquetoast, nonconfrontational with inoffensive, diplomatically neutral opinions and suggestions… You know he does strike me as someone with those traits.

Soft and idiotic would both be better descriptions.

Canada is the laughing stock of the world for a good reason. People like Ven highlight those reasons.

Weak and diplomatic are two different things brother.