That is because we keep letting the dh poop! Stop pooping alliance demon hunters!
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I don’t think there’s an answer as yet. The game makers may be saving this for later so they haven’t decided if they’ll bring him back or not.
Yeah, but you’d think we would have seen him somewhere in SL, I mean one of the questlines you see Vol’Jin who died in that same time period.
But that’s just my personal thought on it.
Maybe Varian is somewhere else, didn’t they say we are not seeing the entirety of the afterlife just a portion of it? Or perhaps Varian is one of the lost souls wandering around in the Maw for one reason or another. Like the Fel corrupted him so it sent him there? Idk. It’s hard to tell whats what in warcraft lore at times.
He showed up in Shadowlands to give Anduin a pep talk.
So, he’s still around.
From what I understand lore wise his soul was used by a warlock as fuel so he is no longer around at all.
Sounds like warlocks can somehow use the same powers or similar power that is used in Shadowlands turning it into that anima stuff… Perhaps the Jailer was a warlock all this time.
Huh, I guess Gul’dan is Anduin’s ultimate wing man. Gul’dan out here like, “Here’s what I’d do for my boy, Anduin:”
In the next expansion he’ll probably show up in some form to alleviate Anduin’s PTSD and help him become an expansion saving Hero.
Here’s the issue with Anduin, he’s a hypocrite you know how many people he Mindcontrolled in Mists of Pandaria? And whats more all his self loathing right now has nothing to do with the suffering that the people felt, no. It’s 100% selfish he only cares that he is the one that did it. It was his actions. Perhaps he should consider that next time he tries to mind control another horde player.
Yes and no, souls are energy-related as a resource. Warlocks use soulshards (mostly from demons) and turn it into fel energy.
The maw is grinding the souls slowly over long periods of time to drain them until they basically wipe out of existence.
Think of it like this, Rogues use energy to build combo points for their abilities but monks use energy to turn it into chi.
You’re right in the fact the result is using souls for energy but their methods are different.
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Mind control is a genially a small spell he uses in small cases that leaves the user confused from my understanding.
This isn’t the same as being basically turned into a undead, forced to fight your friends and family and fight against everything you stand for. He also seems to not be able to control the light any longer since the maw has touched him. Something very deep into who he is as a person.
it’s left a permanent scar inside him, he can still feel the maws magic and without anything else he is just really done, he went from his dad dying, to fighting the horde with their geocide of night elves to being the jailers toy.
I understand where you’re coming from but his trauma is justified completely.
Won’t disagree, being a selfish hypocrite doesn’t mean one cannot have trauma. But his trauma is one of selfish origins. It’s not because he cares about others, its because he cares about the perception others have on him. It’s trauma yes, and justified sure. But it’s still selfish and hypocritical.
All I see in those moments is the things he did, not the actual suffering the others felt but the fact he inflicted it.
We did see him. He spoke to his son, put his ghostly hand on his shoulder. Looked like a spirit to me.
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I don’t think he is being a selfish hypocrite.
I feel like comparing a priest mind control to what was done to him is just not comparable. And in mist he was a very young teen vs years later of him being a man who is now king.
He does care deeply for others. Not just how they see him. I’m interested in where you got this angle though?
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My pondering is this, if frostmourne can fragment a soul causing part of it to be stored while the other part goes to the other side what actual mechanic causes this. Is it because there is a portion of the soul that cannot be destroyed or controlled? While this may be unlikely, it could be a possibility and if so then even if Varian’s soul was destroyed there may be half a soul left somewhere.
How can one mind control be different from another? You exert your free will on someone else you are doing something morally disgusting and should never be forgiven for it. There is no “lesser” erasure of free will. It’s pretty binary situation you either take someones free will, or you don’t. As for the take it comes from him always talking about his experience of doing the awful things but he doesn’t really mention the awful things the people felt because he did those things to them.
also I just don’t like Anduin so it’s not incredibly difficult to find ways to paint him as the bad guy. Although he does make it easy by mind controlling people and all, being an unforgivable act.
Eh that’s getting a bit picky and unnecessarily complicated. Just have his soul survive by whatever means and be sent to some area of the Shadowlands we didn’t get access to as players (and we know there were other areas). He would be there but still connected to his son and able to reach him at moments of ultimate need.
I like to think that Varian is there, in some pleasant zone where he gets to be with his mum and dad, exploring new vistas, making friends and fighting off the occasional Elite mob just to keep his hand in. 
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It seems like comparing stealing a loft of bread from someone 10 years as a justification for not wanting your house burned down.
You’re reducing these things to the action alone when there is a lot more to it. Getting mind controlled for a 1min by a teen trying to be a brat isn’t the same as what the jailer did to him.
You can say there is ‘‘no lesser’’ but there is. What you did while being controlled matters a lot.
This is very much a i don’t like him thing.
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So then, you think it’s perfectly fine to force your will onto someone else if you don’t do anything bad while doing so?
I don’t think thats the greatest take, there is many crimes in the natural world removing ones free will is among the highest.