Using delves to shove folks into mythics

Sure. The ilvl isn’t the problem. It is the path getting there. Remove the hero gear and make the champ gear only come from vault and bounty maps. Regular chests drop veteran. Fine by me. But, Blizz would have to completely rebalance delves from the ground up to suit the new gear progression path.

From what they have said about being “super happy” with where delves are currently I don’t see them going through all that effort just to get M+ players to stop crying about something Blizz has said they are happy with.

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Yeah, people here really think if they get a very high ilvl then zekvir ?? is gonna melt and be a joke…they will be in for a surprise.

I wonder how many people pushing +17s for fun got their gear in delves, and never even come to the forums. Maybe the problem is not the gear. Maybe it’s here. :man_shrugging:

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I never thought that.

I just enjoy some gear progress, with the option of eventually maybe someday trying out M+ if I ever got the gumption to.

The fact is simple.

If you are a Delver only, your Champion Gear and Hero gear is the same exact thing.

Unless you are the crazy person doing 25 Delves a week, like the OP, which is what the topic has been about this entire time

Currently you are debating a problem that does not exist for you.

Yes it is. Solo players don’t need the best gear in an MMORPG based on the idea of grouping with others. Delves are but a stepping stone into M+ and raiding and its great as is. If anything, its far too rewarding and needs a nerf.

Unless of course, you want to get a piece of Hero gear to focus on, and use the crest upgrading system to get past Hero 4.

But you can’t do that if you can’t get Hero from delves in the first place.

I mean, heck, I wouldn’t mind taking my Paladin here, getting a Hero sword and converting crests to get it up to 636 like that person above mentions doing.

I can only imagine the kind of lol damage she’d be doing with a 636 sword. The possibility of that existing is nice.

I doubt very many people at all except for the OP is really expecting to upgrade a whole suit of gear to 636 with Delves alone, lol. That’s just stupid crazy. But, maybe ONE piece…

Wait I’m not sure how people also doing mythic+ means they are spending more money.

Are we insinuating this is meant to cause more carries to be sold and that downstream of that tokens will be sold?

Or that it’s intended to extend interest and therefore subscriptions? I don’t get the angle here tbh.

I think he’s insinuating that people who do delves and then go to m+ will continue paying their subs instead of cancelling when they run out of progress.

As if delvers and other casual players didn’t have 50 thousand alts that they’ll jump on, instead.

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Point A: People do delves.

Point B: People do M+

How did we get from point A to B? Can we not substitute B for C (PvP Pet Battles)?

See above math problems. It is, quite literally, not possible without sourcing Crests from either M+ or Raid.

It’s also 626 you can max in Delves…because the gear is Hero Track.

Even converting Runed Crests, which requires you to get 619 in every slot first, it is not possible.

When the season rolls over, all gear earned in Season 1 will no longer be upgradeable.

Either way, allowing Hero doesn’t hurt you in the slightest and you said yourself that Champion 8 is the same as Hero 4 which is about as high as you can go in Delves.

So… you’re asking for a nerf to something that doesn’t hurt you in the first place.

Removing Hero would, however, hurt the delvers who did actually want to attempt M+.

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The armory isn’t private. It never has been.

I fail to see how.

So you entirely glossed over the fact that they’d slow down Crest acquisition for all of Champ track?

Well that’s just false.

And that’s where you lost me.

Delves are group content for some of us.

No it does not.

That is false.

It’s our end game content pillar. No different than raids or M+.

Because that’s outside of our Delves and we don’t feel like it.

Yes. In our end game content pillar. Which we do.

I have a guildie that’s full 619 that he just completed. He’s got a brand new kiddo, a full time job and isn’t “crazy” like you claim. Now he’s going to work on the stuff in the .7 patch and help out guildies who need to practice Zekvir.

Which is how it should be and how it is for most of us. But if they lower the limit on rewards to Champ, they lower the acqusition of two types of Crests for us and we’re at an even lower ilevel, unable to get to Zekvir, which is what Adaia doesn’t seem to be understanding.

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It would also hurt our own pillar, because we’d see two Crests drop in acqusition rate, meaning we gear up even slower, meaning we’re locked out of our higher Delves and the end pillar boss at ? and ?? until the very end of the season— if we’re lucky.

Props to him. I bet delves are a good outlet for bro there.

He’s been super awesome with helping us all out when he can be online. Kiddo likes to smash the keyboard sometimes, too. :grin:

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What fun would being a kiddo be if you couldn’t get away with smashing a few things? :stuck_out_tongue:

I can relate to him though. Delves are perfect for his spot in the game and in life.

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How? You aren’t making the connection in your argument.

You’re not even close to right. You don’t need to do mythics. Delves is a system that allows you to get heroic gear. What else do you want? Surely not higher track gear. For what? You don’t do the content to warrant it.

Ok well good luck :slight_smile: