I could see this was the intention right at release. It’s been mentioned that it is a waste of time to try and get a player to do content they do not like.
So here we are with a broken mythic+ system because no amount of anything is going to make me enjoy timed content. Now I am left with nothing left and I doubt delves will get the development they insinuated they would be. A solo path to progression.
Delves were nothing more than an attempt to get players like me to do mythics. I won’t but many of my type of player tries mythic+ and it spoils the game mode for the folks who do like mythic+.
I simply do not like that game mode. Stop trying to herd your players and go back to 'made by players for players.
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No they weren’t. This is superseded by illusion. Simply don’t do Mythics.
No need for Mythic bashing either.
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Delves really do not hit for me. I think torghast was at least much more interesting and I found it fun. Once I cleared the higher delves I lost all interest.
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I’m not bashing mythics. If that’s what you enjoy have at it. Delves were intentionally designed as a deadend for ilev with the only exit being mythic+ content.
So folks who don’t even like mythic enough to bother to look stuff up are depleting keys.
Hey microblizz some of us do not like mythic+ and if the analysis of activities and achievements are correct neither do quite a few others. Make good on your promise to make this a viable game pillar and leave the the folks who like mythics to play with other folks who like that game mode.
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I honestly don’t think that was the intention. Any gear progression in the game could be linked to pushing people into mythic plus and mythic raiding by that logic.
Its just the natural difficulty/gear progression curve. If you are making the argument delvs should have a difficulty that rewards max ilv. Im not against the concept I just don’t know what it would look like to accommodate all of wows classes.
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Pretty much everything Blizz has done in TWW revolves around selling more tokens, and the dead end for gear progression in Delves is just one good example.
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I do delves all the time and I see no need to do M+. Some may feel the way you do but others do not.
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Yeah it’s very unlikely I’ll ever touch mythics+ even if they make delves give bad rewards.
I’ll.probanly just quit.
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Uhh, no.
Maybe it feels that way to you and I can understand why.
With that being said, I’m about to have my 3rd char start Delves this weekend and at no given time on my others who have been running Delves all season haven’t felt once, not once that am being pushed into doing mythics.
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I still do delves solo and with friends and feel no compulsion to do content I don’t like. Would I like to see delves further developed with more options to higher end gearing? Absolutely. I’m not going to bother with m+ pugging either way.
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Higher ilvl in content you don’t do, impacts you in delves, how?
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The point of Delves is to give players a dungeon-like experience that can be done solo that offers a gear progression path for the solo/casual player.
That’s what delves were created for.
Take off your tinfoil hat, they aren’t trying to push soloists and casuals into M+.
There isn’t a single reward in the game that would push a soloist and/or casual into M+. Many of them would rather log off and not play at all than go into M+.
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Neither do I, but there is a well developed effort to push folks past about 620 ilev into mythic+ if they ever hope to get the crests they need to upgrade their gear.
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Tracks can be made 4/4 instead, remove that need.
Like others here, I never thought this was their intent. What I don’t understand are all of the attempts to conflate the two.
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This is a dumb argument.
In past expansions, item level was locked behind raids and M+ and they never “pushed people into M+” before.
Delvers will get their 610 and upgrade the rest of the way as far as they can and then they will simply stop, just like they used to stop at Heroics and LFR. Nothing has changed (other than, yanno, there being actual content to do that has a progression system behind it).
EDIT: Now it IS true that SOME delvers might get M+ curious and give it a try. But then, same goes with Heroics and LFR in past expansions.
EDIT2: Heck, I myself would give M0 a try if it were on RDF. I always held the opinion that M0 should be on RDF, because the couple I’ve done, they seem like they are barely harder than Heroics, if harder at all. Granted that was back in Legion, but eh. At least it’d let you get your foot in the door rather than trying to get someone to actually pick you, the person who has zero m+ history from a sea of potential recruits who do have experience.
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I’m not sure I see why that would be so.
That’s ok, its a good thing its entirely voluntary.
I wouldnt mind it if they gave the idea a try. Im not sure if it would be beneficial in the long run as everthing after it would still be premade but I suppose it would give newer players the chance to at least try the system out.
More importantly, it would let newer players practice, too.
I tried to do Heroics on my healer last night, and… the first time, I waited 20+ minutes as a healer with no dungeon.
Gave up, had supper, etc got back on, Q’d up again, took 15+ minutes and finally got a single dungeon.
With Delves now in the picture, there’s very little reason for people to go after 593s in Heroics when Delves exist, and so Heroics have stagnated. If M0 were in the RDF, maybe more people would go run that and I could actually Q up for a dungeon and get one without having to wait a ludicrously long time.
EDIT: Could we also have RDF for Delves, too? Cap them at 3 players, make them like Scenarios where any role can Q up, so long as you have 3 players, and use the highest level Brann of the 3 players.
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Oh, I agree that Heroics have become pointless. You do Normals while levelling (occasionally) and tend to skip right over Heroics once you get to cap. The only reason to do any has been for the Vault slot but they have expanded the content for that group so its hardly necessary to do any.
As for Delves, I would have preferred it if they were more like Delves in ESO. They are open content, no instancing, you can go in alone, go with friends, do them with anyone who happens to be going in at the same time and they are pretty easy and fast. But ESO treats levelling and scaling a lot differently so they continue to provide a small challenge and a worthwhile side activity that doesnt impact on anything more important.
I just want to run dungeons that have a mild bit of difficulty to them.
Normals are way too easy.
Heroics are so-so, but nobody runs them.
Timewalking is too jank and there’s too many twinks. I wouldn’t mind TW if it weren’t Classic yet again. Wrath TW was actually fun.
M0 requires premade groups, and I hate engaging with premade group systems.
So… I wanna practice my healing, but can’t because there’s nothing to actually do.
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